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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 05:33

https://www.afcea.org/content/?q=bae-pr ... ermeasures

BAE to Provide Joint Strike Fighter Transmitter Countermeasures
April 4, 2014

BAE Systems Electronic Solutions, Nashua, N.H., is being awarded a $47,352,248 indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity delivery order contract for the manufacture of the transmitter countermeasures T-1687A/ALE-70 (V) in support of the Joint Strike Fighter program. The Naval Supply Systems Command Weapon Systems Support, Mechanicsburg, Pa., is the contracting activity (N00104-14-D-K054).

.....QUESTION!!!!...

is the ALE-70 installed on the F-35??

note* a lot of "blather" rambling around about an Aussie purchase but simply could be for their F-18s. I admit I am not familiar with this specific device, thus the question to those more knowledgeable.
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 05:59

neptune wrote:
.....QUESTION!!!!...

is the ALE-70 installed on the F-35??

Yes, around 4 decoys
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A = Fiber optic towed decoy (ALE-70) dispenser door
F (x2) = Flare doors
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 06:14

Australia is buying 1952 ALE-70s which seem a lot. Can we infer anything from the qty ordered?

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/au ... sures-rfcm
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 07:31

Here is a good 'ole' 'SWP' Post: viewtopic.php?f=62&t=50951&p=354377&hilit=countermeasures+dispenser#p354377

GOOD THREAD: BAE Systems Inches Out In Public On Electronic Warfare 16 Jul 2016

viewtopic.php?f=62&t=50951&hilit=countermeasures+dispenser

RAN FAA A4G Skyhawk 1970s: https://www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ AND https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 11:26

popcorn wrote:Australia is buying 1952 ALE-70s which seem a lot. Can we infer anything from the qty ordered?

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/au ... sures-rfcm


Yes, in the Spaz reference (an apples and oranges thread of decoying and jamming) the ALE-70 has a 400 hour life limit per a document provided by Spud.

In more simple terms the ALE-70 is an expendable towed RF decoy for spoofing attacking radar controlled missiles. Speculating that there maybe four(ish) ALE-70 per a/c. Similar to the ALE-50 on B-1B and F/A-18E/Fs.
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 14:28

Does the aircraft have the ability to reel in an ALE-70 that has been deployed?
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 17:12

popcorn wrote:Does the aircraft have the ability to reel in an ALE-70 that has been deployed?


I would say, YES.

For example the ALE-55 does have a reel in option, which can be read on the ALE-55 brochure which can be downloaded from the page below:
http://www.baesystems.com/en-us/product ... owed-decoy
(AN/ALE-55 brochure link)

In the brochure the following can be read:

Reel out/Reel in option
In addition to the standard “fast deploy expendable” decoy,
BAE Systems has flight tested a “Reel out/Reel in” deployment system
for fighter aircraft. Based on a flight-test-proven design for C-130
aircraft, this option replaces expendable decoys with decoys that can
be used again and again. This not only means the decoy will be there
when it’s needed, but it also lowers the system’s life-cycle costs.


So if the ALE-55 has a reel in option than I cannot see why the ALE-70 shouldn't have the same mode as well :wink:
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 19:22

Thanks ricnunes, though I'm still curious how they manage it without dinging the fuselage . . I still puzzle at the size of the Oz order though. Matbe a Black Friday sale? :mrgreen:
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 19:47

popcorn wrote:Thanks ricnunes, though I'm still curious how they manage it without dinging the fuselage . . I still puzzle at the size of the Oz order though. Matbe a Black Friday sale? :mrgreen:


Yes, a bit difference in a ding in a Herc vs. a ding in a Litenen (yes, expendable). Divide the purchase number by the a/c number and the balance would yield the number of flights per 400 hours operating and....the number per each a/c 4(ish)??
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 21:54

neptune wrote:
popcorn wrote:Thanks ricnunes, though I'm still curious how they manage it without dinging the fuselage . . I still puzzle at the size of the Oz order though. Matbe a Black Friday sale? :mrgreen:


Yes, a bit difference in a ding in a Herc vs. a ding in a Litenen (yes, expendable). Divide the purchase number by the a/c number and the balance would yield the number of flights per 400 hours operating and....the number per each a/c 4(ish)??
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Well, if you read the ALE-55 brochure or the quote from the brochure that I posted above:

Reel out/Reel in option
In addition to the standard “fast deploy expendable” decoy,
BAE Systems has flight tested a “Reel out/Reel in” deployment system
for fighter aircraft.
Based on a flight-test-proven design for C-130
aircraft, this option replaces expendable decoys with decoys that can
be used again and again. This not only means the decoy will be there
when it’s needed, but it also lowers the system’s life-cycle costs.


Note the part in bold and underlined :wink:
Well there's a "reel in" system for fighter aircraft, this for the ALE-55.
So again, I don't see why the ALE-70 couldn't have such a system. But yeah, a better clarification on the subject would be great.
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 22:11

This not much but it somehow adds some details about the ALE-70 Australia deal with a little bit more info on the ALE-70:

http://www.airforce-technology.com/news ... a-5893336/


Designed and produced by BAE Systems for deployment from the F-35 aircraft, the ALE-70 towed radio frequency countermeasure consists of the reel/launcher assembly, tow line, T-1687 countermeasure transmitter, and electronic and mechanical sub-assemblies.
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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 22:26

neptune wrote:Speculating that there maybe four(ish) ALE-70 per a/c. Similar to the ALE-50 on B-1B and F/A-18E/Fs.
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Correct.


Attachment points for four dispensers can be seen.

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Unread post24 Nov 2017, 23:30

SpudmanWP wrote:.. :)
Correct. Attachment points for four dispensers can be seen...[/quote]




PUCKER TIME; four missiles!!

Wow! Someone left the flashing "Come on In" sign on!
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Unread post25 Nov 2017, 01:46

OK thanks ric and spud... much clearer now how ALE-70 is to be operated from the jet.
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Unread post25 Nov 2017, 02:30

SpudmanWP wrote:Attachment points for four dispensers can be seen.

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