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Re: 6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

Unread postPosted: 09 Oct 2018, 22:26
by SpudmanWP
Not only more secure, but LPI/LPD within the F-35/22 groups.

IIRC MADL also shares data at a faster rate than Link-16.

Re: 6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

Unread postPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 04:41
by Dragon029
Remember too that the F-35 does also already have SATCOM hardware, though I don't recall if it's active in Block 3F or not.

Re: 6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

Unread postPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 06:12
by SpudmanWP
Not sure of the hardware, but the functionality was moved to Block 4 in the late 2000s.

Here is a slide from 2009.

Re: 6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

Unread postPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 14:44
by aasm
SpudmanWP wrote:Not only more secure, but LPI/LPD within the F-35/22 groups.

IIRC MADL also shares data at a faster rate than Link-16.


Wich is fairly normal due to hgher frequency.

Lost some documents about NATO, US and EUro projects for datalinks / C4 btw if any?

Re: 6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

Unread postPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 15:33
by swiss
SpudmanWP wrote:Not only more secure, but LPI/LPD within the F-35/22 groups.

IIRC MADL also shares data at a faster rate than Link-16.


Do you know how the status is? I assume it will take a lot of time to equip all F-22 and US 4 gen fighters with this system.

Re: 6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

Unread postPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 16:22
by SpudmanWP
Items like the Freedom550 are not put into each fighter/bomber, but into a "gateway" system like a U2, Gulfstream, IFR, ISR, AWACS, etc. There are programs to add a gateway "pod" to a 4th gen fighter like an F-15 called "5th to 4th". An F-35 itself can act as a gateway as it has transmit Link-16 capability as will the F-22 in upcoming upgrades. There is no current plan for the F-22 to be able to talk directly with an F-35 using either MADL/IFDL so they require a gateway to communicate.

Re: 6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

Unread postPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 22:36
by swiss
SpudmanWP wrote:Items like the Freedom550 are not put into each fighter/bomber, but into a "gateway" system like a U2, Gulfstream, IFR, ISR, AWACS, etc. There are programs to add a gateway "pod" to a 4th gen fighter like an F-15 called "5th to 4th". An F-35 itself can act as a gateway as it has transmit Link-16 capability as will the F-22 in upcoming upgrades. There is no current plan for the F-22 to be able to talk directly with an F-35 using either MADL/IFDL so they require a gateway to communicate.


Ah ok. Thanks for clarification.

Re: 6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

Unread postPosted: 10 Oct 2018, 23:01
by steve2267
I’ve lost track in this thread, what with the changes from “Block 4.1, 4.2” etc to 6 month rolling updates and tech refreshes etc...

Is the F-35 still slated for a weapons bay makeover & 6 X AIM-120 capability? And, if so, is that still in the 2020 timeframe?

Re: 6 AMRAAM Loadout moved up to Block 4

Unread postPosted: 11 Oct 2018, 00:44
by SpudmanWP
The Block 4 plan is done but waiting approval. Until that is made public, I cannot say for sure what it contains or a specific schedule.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/10 ... tion-exec/