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Unread post14 Jul 2016, 00:00

lamoey wrote:"Production of NSM in the United States will secure ramp up and sustainability of NSM, the world's only Fifth Generation Naval Strike Missile with Land Target capabilities, for the US and our allies. Increased volume of NSM creates and secures jobs in both the US and Norway."

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Unread post14 Jul 2016, 00:24

count_to_10 wrote:What is a "Fifth Generation" Missile?


It's what ever the marketing department says it is.

But rest assured, anything less that a '5th' and you might aswell be shooting dried grass through a plastic pipe at your enemy! :mrgreen:
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Unread post14 Jul 2016, 05:30

http://breakingdefense.com/2016/07/kong ... n-arizona/

In the long run, however, the JSM looks to be the larger market for the two defense companies. It can be used on all 1,763 F-35As the US Air Force plans to buy, as well as the 530 F-35Cs that the Navy and Marine Corps should buy.

How much did Norway do to make this missile fit the F-35? They changed its shape so it would fit in the bomb bay. It’s designed with a “unique thermal management system” said Pal Brattlie, executive vice president for Kongsberg Defense Systems, “as we understand it’s quite hot in the F-35’s bomb bay.” The missile boasts passive sensors, Brattlie said, so it does not emit and attract countermeasures, in keeping with the Joint Strike Fighter’s Low Observable approach to warfare.
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Unread post20 Dec 2016, 17:02

29. October 2016 was a new test with JSF from a Edwards Air Force-based F-16. This time with engine, but no warhead. The missile flight was more than 200 km.

The Joint Strike Missile (JSM) has successfully completed a flight test in the United States. The missile was launched from an Edwards Air Force-based F-16 over the Utah Test and Training Range west of Salt Lake City.

“The test verified all intended goals completing another milestone towards full integration on the F-35. The JSM program is on track to provide the war fighter a long range precision strike anti-ship and land attack capability”, says Eirik Lie, Acting President Kongsberg Defence Systems.

http://news.cision.com/kongsberg-gruppe ... t,c2153901

A longer article in Norwegian.

http://www.tu.no/artikler/joint-strike- ... kin/366678
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Unread post23 Dec 2016, 10:34

Is the JSM the reason why the HARM has not been integrated into the Lightning?
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Unread post23 Dec 2016, 12:47

bojack_horseman wrote:Is the JSM the reason why the HARM has not been integrated into the Lightning?


I think HARM is somewhat problematic missile for F-35 as in current form it doesn't fit internal weapons bays and external carriage increases RCS quite a bit. Because there are a lot of fighters capable of carrying it right now, the benefit for F-35 carrying it is not that big.

Internally carried HARM/AARGM would be great as F-35 could get close to enemy radars leaving them very little time to do anything when they detect being attacked. Of course it might be very possible to use other weapons like SDB, JSOW and JDAM to do the same as F-35 itself can accurately locate the emitters and thus guide weapons against them.
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Unread post23 Dec 2016, 12:58

Talking about internal HARM , this is pretty cool
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Unread post23 Dec 2016, 13:11

hornetfinn wrote:Internally carried HARM/AARGM would be great as F-35 could get close to enemy radars leaving them very little time to do anything when they detect being attacked. Of course it might be very possible to use other weapons like SDB, JSOW and JDAM to do the same as F-35 itself can accurately locate the emitters and thus guide weapons against them.


Perhaps... having F-35s do the scouting, possibly up close, going undetected. Not even launcing weapons. Other platforms, even non-VLO, further out, or below horizon, may launch undetected.

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Unread post23 Dec 2016, 14:34

garrya wrote:Talking about internal HARM , this is pretty cool

Cool image of AARGM-ER launching from internal weapons bay.
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Unread post23 Dec 2016, 14:47

Orbital ATK says 'external' for the F-35 Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM) for future:

https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-syst ... ems/aargm/

https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-syst ... nterim.pdf (300Kb)
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Unread post23 Dec 2016, 17:19

External AARGM is Blk6 the last time I saw the PPT.
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Unread post23 Dec 2016, 19:12

garrya wrote:Talking about internal HARM , this is pretty cool
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Unread post25 Dec 2016, 10:39

Is HARM/AARGM even that important for F-35?

An F-35 should be able to pinpoint the location of a radiation source relatively quickly, at least that is the impression I get from reading pilots talk about F-35 in SEAD/DEAD role. HARM is employed to follow the radiation source, if an F-35 has already derived the coordinates of the radiation source it can employ other internally carried stores like JDAM, SDB, JSOW, etc. I guess HARM has a speed and range advantage but it shouldn't matter if they turn the radar off, hell an SDB II should be able to track and hit even if the radar source is driving away.

Maybe I'm missing something but it seems like an F-35 could be very effective in SEAD/DEAD right now with just the limited JDAMs and Paveways it can carry.
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Unread post26 Dec 2016, 02:30

You're forgetting the "H" in HARM.. High-Speed

A dropped JDAM or SDM can take minutes to reach the target and for popup threats, that may be too long.
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Unread post26 Dec 2016, 03:07

Any idea how it would fare against an AWACS?
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