A-4 Skyhawk vs Mirage III

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Unread post29 Jun 2018, 19:02

Ref the general matter of gunsight still-images, (and frankly, to be generous about it) they very often don't convey the reality of circumstances by which they were attained. As they are but a moment in time in the midst of very dynamic maneuvering they are often what pilots know to be very low Pk shots. I would characterize the image with the SHAR pitot as an example; it is a high aspect shot, there is no apparent alignment of the shooter's plane of symmetry with the target's plane of motion, and unless the SHAR is sitting on the pivot point of the target's turn circle at very, very low speed the target is generating a substantial track-crossing-rate relative to where the shooter needs to be pointing for a valid shot (the slats are out on the A4). All of which means (at best) "very low Pk shot" and in reality, the kind of relative position that might occur in many fleeting moments during a BFM enagement and which may or may not say anything about who won or who lost, much less how good one jet is relative to another.

In other circumstances, they are from moments when one aircraft is simply doing a re-join on another aircraft after an engagement or during the RTB.

So, words to the wise -- be careful about what you choose to believe (or not) from still-images.

As a footnote, there is a reason the A4 remained in the adversary corral at TOPGUN for such a long time, and the 'Miracle' design later found new life as 'KFIR' (a rocket ship with a J79).
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Unread post29 Jun 2018, 22:46

Heheh. That is why I made a cartoon out of the SHAR v A4G photo (taken off Jervis Bay just east of NAS Nowra). A 'SHAR through deck cruiser' was visiting at the time with 'ex-A4G now SHAR pilots' onboard with 800NAS. BEWARE the PESTER POWER of fighter pilots and their fotos! A great time was had by all apparently, with this particular photo sent to the CMDR AIR of NAS Nowra who had earlier been the first 'A4G to SHAR' exchange pilot in the RN for several years earlier. 8)
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Unread post02 Jul 2018, 11:35

A PM question asked about the trial GYRO Gunsight in May 1971 on VF-805. It was a Thomson (Ferranti) C.S.F. R22 Gyro Gunsight I was told it was in use on some F-4 Phantoms at that time. It had a gun camera also. My only 'test' flight was on the air to air banner where I scored 32% but not with a full ammo load because guns jammed - I cannot remember rounds fired at the time - just recorded percentage in logbook as seen. Being the most junior pilot that was all for me and I made a squadron linebook entry using film from the gun camera. As recorded elsewhere we did not proceed with a purchase because of bean counter belt tightening at the time. The original gunsight was deemed good enough for our role.

The original page was modified by me again for the 4.4Gb PDF so I guess I should take away the addons also - meanwhile the sight picture is seen top right hand corner replicated below. The amended almost PDF is attached with a JPG with similar almost original page. Chinese 'funni doggerel' propaganda was popular at the time. Thompson is my name - I think the THOMSON was deliberately misspelt at the time of the 'black hand' (upper left corner). Logbook page attached also.
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Unread post06 Jul 2018, 04:50

Ex-A4G pilot (transferring to RAAF Mirages/Hornets) when RAN FAA fixed wing folded in 1984) Air Chief Marshall Mark Binskin retires today from Chief of Defence Force position. Accent places him from Western Suburbs of Sydney (a 'westie').

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 4zpow.html

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Unread post20 Jul 2018, 23:05

Mark can tell a 'SKYHAWK A4G v MIRAGE IIIO' story better than anyone on this planet. PDF of GIF attached also:

http://www.defence.gov.au/Publications/ ... 2/6012.pdf (5.1Mb)
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Unread post07 Jan 2019, 17:45

A PMer inquired about the video here: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=53537&p=379204&hilit=lead#p379204 I had forgotten about it altogether - I guess the TOPGUN Skyhawks had a special camera for the gunsight film. Also recently saw pic in the eight page TOPGUN TURNS 50 article by Barrett Tillman in Aviation History Magazine Mar 2019 magazine attached below.
Caption: “An F-14A and A-4F make a close pass during a TOPGUN dogfight in 1982
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“The Douglas A-4 Skyhawk represented subsonic dogfighters such as the MiG-17s encountered over North Vietnam. This
A-4F is carrying a pod that electronically transmitted details of air-to-air engagements for later review.”

VFC-12 Adversary TA-4F Gun Sight ACM REAR Tomcat F-14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER6eUCLqkGA

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