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US Navy vs Stealth Jets

Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2020, 05:05
by rowbeartoe
Hi Everyone.

Roughly 10 years ago, I believed in the hype of the F-22 and that the US Navy didn't have an answer to stop our F-22. The good news was, only the US had the F-22. Now that the US Navy/Marines have a limited number of F-35's, and perhaps more advanced sensors on it's ships, would our Navy be so vulnerable if they had some sort of Red Flag exercise against our Navy? I'm making an assumption in that 10 years ago the Navy couldn't stop an F-22, so I may have been wrong then. That said, as of now, is the Navy prepared for such a defense? I'm also making the assumption that fighters still have an upper hand on ships ever since Midway.

Thank you.

Re: US Navy vs Stealth Jets

Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2020, 13:48
by ricnunes
rowbeartoe wrote:That said, as of now, is the Navy prepared for such a defense?

Thank you.


Please don't get me wrong but I find a bit odd that you posted such question since you basically gave the answer already.

The answer to your question is very simple:
- Yes, and this is it:

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(It's called the F-35C)

Re: US Navy vs Stealth Jets

Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2020, 14:22
by marsavian
Combatting VLO aircraft and weapons will be a problem for anyone. At the moment the West has the ascendancy but the rest of the world might catch up one day ...

Re: US Navy vs Stealth Jets

Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2020, 14:26
by Scorpion1alpha
To the OP, next time, please post your topics in the proper forum. This is a broad topic that isn't about the F-35, as you worded it. Thus, it shouldn't / doesn't belong in the Lightning forum.

Re: US Navy vs Stealth Jets

Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2020, 15:59
by marsavian
What are the stealth jets that would threaten the US Navy ? J-20 and Su-57 ? Aircraft that are said at best to have a frontal RCS of 0.05 and 0.1 m2 respectively and are in small quantities ? Most cruise missiles are around 0.1 m2 anyway and there are more of them to worry about. The Kh-101 cruise missile carried by long range Blackjacks and Bears is said to be 0.01 m2 and then are long range fast Chinese ballistic missiles to worry about even more. The carriers have long wavelength AESA/PESA as do their AEW E-2D, these would try and detect stealthy and fast targets coming in and cue the defensive fire control radars accordingly. Best defense is a nice standoff distance but then you have to avoid the stealthy submarines too ;) ...

Re: US Navy vs Stealth Jets

Unread postPosted: 24 Jan 2020, 23:21
by wrightwing
rowbeartoe wrote:Hi Everyone.

Roughly 10 years ago, I believed in the hype of the F-22 and that the US Navy didn't have an answer to stop our F-22. The good news was, only the US had the F-22. Now that the US Navy/Marines have a limited number of F-35's, and perhaps more advanced sensors on it's ships, would our Navy be so vulnerable if they had some sort of Red Flag exercise against our Navy? I'm making an assumption in that 10 years ago the Navy couldn't stop an F-22, so I may have been wrong then. That said, as of now, is the Navy prepared for such a defense? I'm also making the assumption that fighters still have an upper hand on ships ever since Midway.

Thank you.

The F-22 isn't nor has it ever been a threat to the USN. The USN has plenty of exercises practicing how to defend against subs, aircraft, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, etc... You may want to read about CEC/NIFC CA, SPY-6, E-2D, etc...., before asking these kinds of questions.

Re: US Navy vs Stealth Jets

Unread postPosted: 11 Feb 2020, 10:20
by wil59
wrightwing wrote:
rowbeartoe wrote:Hi Everyone.

Roughly 10 years ago, I believed in the hype of the F-22 and that the US Navy didn't have an answer to stop our F-22. The good news was, only the US had the F-22. Now that the US Navy/Marines have a limited number of F-35's, and perhaps more advanced sensors on it's ships, would our Navy be so vulnerable if they had some sort of Red Flag exercise against our Navy? I'm making an assumption in that 10 years ago the Navy couldn't stop an F-22, so I may have been wrong then. That said, as of now, is the Navy prepared for such a defense? I'm also making the assumption that fighters still have an upper hand on ships ever since Midway.

Thank you.

The F-22 isn't nor has it ever been a threat to the USN. The USN has plenty of exercises practicing how to defend against subs, aircraft, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, etc... You may want to read about CEC/NIFC CA, SPY-6, E-2D, etc...., before asking these kinds of questions.

It's not that obvious! Simulation: a French submarine sinks an American aircraft carrier The submarine "Saphir" participated in a ten-day exercise with the United States Navy and foiled surveillance of the US Navy anti-submarine devices.It's a virtual touchdown that the French Navy does not talk much about. The nuclear attack submarine (SNA) Saphir was engaged in mid-February in the North Atlantic to train an American carrier strike group near the coast of Florida. And the three-color submersible did better than defend itself since it succeeded in foiling the radars of the escort of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and virtually sank it with most of its escort. This feat of arms was revealed by a report from the Navy which has since been removed from the website but can be viewed in cache. Details have therefore filtered while the Navy is often reluctant to share the results of operational exercises with the allies of France. “It is the vocation of these trainings to push the effort to the maximum. The performance of the Sapphire had a strong impact but it can happen in the other direction, ”tempered the Navy, joined by Le Parisien.fr. A conclusive life-size exercise SNA Saphir was first part of the American friendly naval force and was responsible for monitoring the underwater activity of enemies engaged in a fictitious attack on American economic interests. He then shared his information with the rest of the device including the frigates and destroyers of the US Navy. Then in a second phase, the Sapphire and its 70 crew members went over to the attackers side. "The Sapphire has slipped discreetly into the heart of the screen formed by the American frigates protecting the aircraft carrier, while avoiding the counter-detection of the ubiquitous air assets" explains the Navy. When the order to open fire was given, the SNA was in an ideal position to send the USS Theodore Roosevelt to the bottom of the ocean, which will soon take over from another aircraft carrier in the Arabian Gulf. in order to fight Daesh.Commissioned in 1984, the Sapphire is part of the Ruby class and specializes in spearfishing according to the official website of the Navy. This type of old submarine, apparently still performing, will be replaced from 2017 by Barracuda type submersibles manufactured by DCNS.https://www.google.com/amp/www.leparisi ... 580979.php

Re: US Navy vs Stealth Jets

Unread postPosted: 11 Feb 2020, 10:37
by Corsair1963
wil59 wrote:
wrightwing wrote:
rowbeartoe wrote:Hi Everyone.

Roughly 10 years ago, I believed in the hype of the F-22 and that the US Navy didn't have an answer to stop our F-22. The good news was, only the US had the F-22. Now that the US Navy/Marines have a limited number of F-35's, and perhaps more advanced sensors on it's ships, would our Navy be so vulnerable if they had some sort of Red Flag exercise against our Navy? I'm making an assumption in that 10 years ago the Navy couldn't stop an F-22, so I may have been wrong then. That said, as of now, is the Navy prepared for such a defense? I'm also making the assumption that fighters still have an upper hand on ships ever since Midway.

Thank you.

The F-22 isn't nor has it ever been a threat to the USN. The USN has plenty of exercises practicing how to defend against subs, aircraft, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, etc... You may want to read about CEC/NIFC CA, SPY-6, E-2D, etc...., before asking these kinds of questions.

It's not that obvious! Simulation: a French submarine sinks an American aircraft carrier The submarine "Saphir" participated in a ten-day exercise with the United States Navy and foiled surveillance of the US Navy anti-submarine devices.It's a virtual touchdown that the French Navy does not talk much about. The nuclear attack submarine (SNA) Saphir was engaged in mid-February in the North Atlantic to train an American carrier strike group near the coast of Florida. And the three-color submersible did better than defend itself since it succeeded in foiling the radars of the escort of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and virtually sank it with most of its escort. This feat of arms was revealed by a report from the Navy which has since been removed from the website but can be viewed in cache. Details have therefore filtered while the Navy is often reluctant to share the results of operational exercises with the allies of France. “It is the vocation of these trainings to push the effort to the maximum. The performance of the Sapphire had a strong impact but it can happen in the other direction, ”tempered the Navy, joined by Le Parisien.fr. A conclusive life-size exercise SNA Saphir was first part of the American friendly naval force and was responsible for monitoring the underwater activity of enemies engaged in a fictitious attack on American economic interests. He then shared his information with the rest of the device including the frigates and destroyers of the US Navy. Then in a second phase, the Sapphire and its 70 crew members went over to the attackers side. "The Sapphire has slipped discreetly into the heart of the screen formed by the American frigates protecting the aircraft carrier, while avoiding the counter-detection of the ubiquitous air assets" explains the Navy. When the order to open fire was given, the SNA was in an ideal position to send the USS Theodore Roosevelt to the bottom of the ocean, which will soon take over from another aircraft carrier in the Arabian Gulf. in order to fight Daesh.Commissioned in 1984, the Sapphire is part of the Ruby class and specializes in spearfishing according to the official website of the Navy. This type of old submarine, apparently still performing, will be replaced from 2017 by Barracuda type submersibles manufactured by DCNS.https://www.google.com/amp/www.leparisi ... 580979.php


You need to cut back on the Medication. As it will lead to your undoing.... :roll:

Re: US Navy vs Stealth Jets

Unread postPosted: 11 Feb 2020, 12:16
by wil59
wil59 wrote:
wrightwing wrote:
rowbeartoe wrote:Hi Everyone.

Roughly 10 years ago, I believed in the hype of the F-22 and that the US Navy didn't have an answer to stop our F-22. The good news was, only the US had the F-22. Now that the US Navy/Marines have a limited number of F-35's, and perhaps more advanced sensors on it's ships, would our Navy be so vulnerable if they had some sort of Red Flag exercise against our Navy? I'm making an assumption in that 10 years ago the Navy couldn't stop an F-22, so I may have been wrong then. That said, as of now, is the Navy prepared for such a defense? I'm also making the assumption that fighters still have an upper hand on ships ever since Midway.

Thank you.

The F-22 isn't nor has it ever been a threat to the USN. The USN has plenty of exercises practicing how to defend against subs, aircraft, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, etc... You may want to read about CEC/NIFC CA, SPY-6, E-2D, etc...., before asking these kinds of questions.

It's not that obvious! Simulation: a French submarine sinks an American aircraft carrier The submarine "Saphir" participated in a ten-day exercise with the United States Navy and foiled surveillance of the US Navy anti-submarine devices.It's a virtual touchdown that the French Navy does not talk much about. The nuclear attack submarine (SNA) Saphir was engaged in mid-February in the North Atlantic to train an American carrier strike group near the coast of Florida. And the three-color submersible did better than defend itself since it succeeded in foiling the radars of the escort of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and virtually sank it with most of its escort. This feat of arms was revealed by a report from the Navy which has since been removed from the website but can be viewed in cache. Details have therefore filtered while the Navy is often reluctant to share the results of operational exercises with the allies of France. “It is the vocation of these trainings to push the effort to the maximum. The performance of the Sapphire had a strong impact but it can happen in the other direction, ”tempered the Navy, joined by Le Parisien.fr. A conclusive life-size exercise SNA Saphir was first part of the American friendly naval force and was responsible for monitoring the underwater activity of enemies engaged in a fictitious attack on American economic interests. He then shared his information with the rest of the device including the frigates and destroyers of the US Navy. Then in a second phase, the Sapphire and its 70 crew members went over to the attackers side. "The Sapphire has slipped discreetly into the heart of the screen formed by the American frigates protecting the aircraft carrier, while avoiding the counter-detection of the ubiquitous air assets" explains the Navy. When the order to open fire was given, the SNA was in an ideal position to send the USS Theodore Roosevelt to the bottom of the ocean, which will soon take over from another aircraft carrier in the Arabian Gulf. in order to fight Daesh.Commissioned in 1984, the Sapphire is part of the Ruby class and specializes in spearfishing according to the official website of the Navy. This type of old submarine, apparently still performing, will be replaced from 2017 by Barracuda type submersibles manufactured by DCNS.https://www.google.com/amp/www.leparisi ... 580979.php

Corsair1963 What's your problem ? the submarines are stealthy and therefore very hard to find. What I think is that if his would have been the opposite is that a submarine had done this in the French naval aviation you would have nothing to say about the article! . There are websites on the internet that relate the facts during exercise, I invite you to watch them. If month I take medicine you are high in nature! Do you need another example? Does it seem impossible to you? All the French media are liars according to you ?. It is said in the previous article that it was possible that the American submarine could certainly do the same, so what ?.