Future weapon for: Anti ship - Penetrate air defense

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by eloise » 09 Oct 2019, 17:53

Nowadays there are many improvement and enhancement being integrate to air defense from new passive radars to laser weapons to GPS jammer. It getting exponentially harder to penetrate intergrated air defense everyday. The platform get in range isn't enough, the munition need to find a way to penetrate the shield. So what kind of missile have the best chance to penetrate future air defense system?. Let only consider the kind of missile or weapon that fighter can cary, so no ICBM please.
1- Scramjet missile
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2- Hypersonic boost glider
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3- Stealth cruise missile
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4- Air launched ballistic missile
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5- Multi purpose swarm missile
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by element1loop » 10 Oct 2019, 05:17

Re glide-swarming options from a VLO launcher ...

Northrop readies Hatchet glide munition for platform integration

Robin Hughes, London - Jane's Missiles & Rockets

07 October 2019

Northrop Grumman has achieved a technical readiness level (TRL) 7 milestone with its Hatchet unpowered precision strike munition, following the completion of a campaign of live end-to-end guide-to-hit trials in August. The next milestone will be full platform integration [apparently on UAS first]. The campaign, which was continued from the end of 2018 to allow for new range time logistics, provided for a series of multiple target live guide-to-hit engagements, a company spokesperson told Jane's . The release platform type, target types, heights of release, range to targets, location and results of the trials campaign, were not disclosed

Following completion of a campaign of live guide-to-hit trials in August 2019, Northrop Grumman's Hatchet low collateral damage precision glide munition has achieved TRL 7. (Northrop Grumman) An earlier test programme in October 2018 culminated in a full guide-to-hit release of two inert rounds against threat representative targets, both of [which] were successful, the spokesperson said. "Those trials also successfully demonstrated the release sequence, including deployment of wings and control surfaces, flight stability, and GPS guidance," he added.

A company internal research and development (IRAD) funded initiative, Hatchet was originally unveiled in April 2012 as a low-cost gravity-dropped weapon concept to equip unmanned aircraft systems (UAS). The design has since emerged as a lightweight, low-collateral damage, precision-glide munition, optimised for UAS platforms in an armed reconnaissance role. Hatchet's compressed carriage configuration allows for a deep magazine capacity on a single platform. Designed for compressed carriage, Hatchet can be deployed as a single weapon against lightly protected targets or as a single strike multiple munition capability in wide area or multiple target engagements.

Hatchet features a tri-form fold-around mid-body wing and deployable aft control surfaces. The munition weighs approximately 2.72 kg (6 lb), is 60 mm (2.4 inches) in diameter, and approximately 30.1 cm (11.9 inches) long. The initial iteration of the finalised Hatchet weapon will be equipped with global positioning system/inertial navigation system (GPS/INS) midcourse guidance and a semi-active laser (SAL) seeker for terminal guidance.

https://www.janes.com/article/91737/nor ... ntegration


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Under 1 ft long, 2.4 inches wide, 6 lb, standoff glide, GPS/INS with laser guidance. You could modify it for high-energy explosive, explosively-formed projectiles, or incendiary.

Imagine as many as 60 of these pouring out of a cruising F-35 weapon bay and striking an entire area from 45k feet with standoff. It may not be a 2,000 lb weapon for high value targets but it could make a mess of vehicle parks, small boat fleets and parked aircraft cockpits, in just a couple of minutes.

What's going to stop them?

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One of these mini-rotary launchers in each weapon bay for 104 PGM rounds internally carried.
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by eloise » 10 Oct 2019, 08:13

element1loop wrote:Re glide-swarming options from a VLO launcher ...
Imagine as many as 60 of these pouring out of a cruising F-35 weapon bay and striking an entire area from 45k feet with standoff. It may not be a 2,000 lb weapon for high value targets but it could make a mess of vehicle parks, small boat fleets and parked aircraft cockpits, in just a couple of minutes.
What's going to stop them?
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One of these mini-rotary launchers in each weapon bay for 104 PGM rounds internally carried.

These could make great submunitions for stealth cruise missiles too


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by element1loop » 10 Oct 2019, 11:21

eloise wrote:These could make great submunitions for stealth cruise missiles too


The beauty is you don't need the single use guided delivery chassis, you could reload the mini rotary launchers.

If bomblets are delivered in a single chassis there's an opportunity to defeat all of them before they are dispersed. But these drop right out of a weapon-bay and can be made more lethal and effective than wind-corrected guided cluster munitions. They can hit what they're aimed at. A look-down oriented DAS plus SAR and fusion engine assign each bomb to an ID-ed static target. INS backup means they still won't miss if dropped into GPS jamming. And they have a laser sensor for individual use on moving targets. You could auto assign two or four per target if you wanted to scale effects on different target types, with a mix of fusings and warheads. Now add a small cheap datalink and SAR plus DAS fusion could potentially assign each bomb to a separate moving target. AAA and SAMs aren't going to stop these, if they can't stop the launching F-35 first.
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by sferrin » 10 Oct 2019, 23:56

"Northrop" :lol:

ATK (From 10 years ago):

https://defense-update.com/20101231_arm ... adows.html

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by garrya » 11 Oct 2019, 01:57

How far can Hatchet fly?


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by element1loop » 11 Oct 2019, 06:32

sferrin wrote:"Northrop" :lol:

ATK (From 10 years ago):

https://defense-update.com/20101231_arm ... adows.html


It's quite a bit different, three symmetric metal control fins, flip-out carbon fiber rigid wings with strong mounts, new exterior, terminal sensor covered. Looks like it can handle a lot more speed.

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Question is, what range at what altitude and what launch speed, and what launch speed range can it cope with?

Original concept:
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by eloise » 12 Oct 2019, 06:21

Common glider body:
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by sferrin » 15 Oct 2019, 16:52

element1loop wrote:
sferrin wrote:"Northrop" :lol:

ATK (From 10 years ago):

https://defense-update.com/20101231_arm ... adows.html


It's quite a bit different, three symmetric metal control fins, flip-out carbon fiber rigid wings with strong mounts, new exterior, terminal sensor covered. Looks like it can handle a lot more speed.

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Question is, what range at what altitude and what launch speed, and what launch speed range can it cope with?

Original concept:
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Same program (even has the same name). The design just evolved over ten years.
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