FC-31 stealth fighter thread.

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Unread post15 Sep 2020, 01:28

milosh wrote:
jessmo112 wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/tech/the-chinese-j-31-5th-gen-stealth-fighter-may-be-a-total-f-35-rip-off

Im curious why the Chinese Air forces dont want this thing? Even if its underpowered, it could likely make a decent bomb truck.it must have some design flaw that makes it dangerous, or obsolete.


They want J-31 to be "cheap" stealth fighter so they need at least some decent thrust. J-20 and J-31 aren't design to be bomb trucks.
J-20, J-31 have similar weapon bay design as F-22. shallow weapon bay primary for AAMs.

I expect they are waiting RD-33MKV which will probable be used as JF-17 upgrade too.

So with two RD-33MKV, FC-31 will have decent thrust (over 200kN)


RD-33MKV??? Don't you mean the VK-10M​..... :|
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Unread post15 Sep 2020, 01:57

I dont think there is such a thing as a cheap stealth fighter. Not done correctly.
Even a top of the line 4th gen fighter costs 100 million.
Cheap stealth is a pipe dream.
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Unread post15 Sep 2020, 04:12

jessmo112 wrote:I dont think there is such a thing as a cheap stealth fighter. Not done correctly.
Even a top of the line 4th gen fighter costs 100 million.
Cheap stealth is a pipe dream.



He likely meant "affordable"....
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Unread post15 Sep 2020, 07:00

Corsair1963 wrote:RD-33MKV??? Don't you mean the VK-10M​..... :|


RD-33MKV, upgraded RD-33MK with TVC or without it. VK-10M is new engine and I doubt Klimov did much on it because there wasn't market for VK-10M, MiG PAK-FA wasn't selected (VK-10M was proposed engine for that plane).

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I put cheap in "", I meant cheap compared to J-20 not cheap as cheap :wink:
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Unread post15 Sep 2020, 08:27

Haven't read any reliable cost estimates of Chinese later gen fighters yet.

2 RD-33 however appears to be a lot cheaper than an F-135. What I do know is that in most cases, one would need 4 (or in some cases 6) engines, which that alone would be upwards of $10m which makes it comparable. Top up a little bit...= AL-31F. Add greas *ahem* commission payments and inflated cost of spares, the aircraft would definitely then be not cheap.
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Unread post15 Sep 2020, 14:04

Corsair1963 wrote:
jessmo112 wrote:I dont think there is such a thing as a cheap stealth fighter. Not done correctly.
Even a top of the line 4th gen fighter costs 100 million.
Cheap stealth is a pipe dream.



He likely meant "affordable"....


Yeah? Like an affordable date? I guess its always a game of how little you can pay.
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