Russian aircraft carrier accident (2018)

zhangmdev · by **zhangmdev** » 27 Jun 2019, 14:30

Those non-nuclear "super-carriers", USS Forrestal (CV-59), USS Saratoga (CV-60), USS Ranger (CV-61), USS Independence (CV-62), USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63), USS Constellation (CV-64), The USS America (CV-66) , USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67). It is remarkable how quickly they are forgotten. Forrestal was somewhere close to 80,000 ton, way bigger than anything Russian and Chinese are having now, or will have, if ever, in the near future.

http://militaryvetshop.com/History/airc ... riers.html

weasel1962 · by **weasel1962** » 27 Jun 2019, 14:38

The current cv-16/17 are comparable to cv-41. Cv-18 will likely be about forrestal class size. Forrestal was launched in the 50s, almost 70 years ago. Thats a long time.

weasel1962 · by **weasel1962** » 27 Jun 2019, 14:45

weasel1962 wrote:Hornetfinn is right. USN had 6 cvn and 9 CV during desert storm deploying cvn-71 and 5 CV (cv-41, 60, 61, 66 and 67) for the fight. There were 2-3 more Cv/cvn that could in theory deploy but did not.

The CV that did not deploy were cv-59, 62, 63, 64. Cvn back then were 65, 68, 69, 70 and 72.

Should be PMI not hornetfinn.

weasel1962 · by **weasel1962** » 27 Jun 2019, 14:48

hornetfinn wrote:Besides Taiwan, I can see several other scenarios where Chinese carriers might be useful. There are quite many potential reasons to fight near China (like South China Sea) and one interesting would be Africa where China has been rather active. There could well be some armed conflict where aviation might be needed and carriers would be perfect for that. Even current STOBAR carriers could be very useful there.

The other Soviet role for their cvbg was boomer escort. Back then and today, ssbns would be aggressively stalked. A cvbg can sanitise a fairly big area allowing access for boomers.

Consider the current PLAN CV bases are vis their boomer bases.

pmi · by **pmi** » 27 Jun 2019, 14:53

mixelflick wrote:15 big flat tops, or say 11 and 4 amphibious assault ships? I suppose you can call all of them "aircraft carriers", but I don't remember us having 15 CVN's, or even 15 large ones, with a few of those being (non) nuclear powered ???

There were 13 flat top gators active at the time; all 7 LPHs, the 5 LHAs & Wasp (LHD1) was commissioned in 89.

weasel1962 · by **weasel1962** » 28 Jun 2019, 00:54

Thru Alert 5. Russia will build new helo carrier in 2021.

http://alert5.com/2019/06/28/russia-to- ... d-in-2021/
https://tass.com/defense/1065639

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 12 Sep 2019, 19:35

The sad story of Admiral Kuznetsov which makes you appreciate what a well suited combination are the QE carriers with F-35B using similar ski ramps.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... uilt-80026

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 12 Dec 2019, 11:01

Moscow. 12 December. INTERFAX.RU - A fire occurred on the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier cruiser, which is under repair, an informed source of Interfax reported.

One person suffered, three were lost. Three missing were in the hold at the time of fire. “We cannot establish a connection with them,” the source said. According to preliminary data, the fire began during work in the first energy compartment on the second deck. The area of fire at first amounted to 20 square meters, then increased to 120 square meters. m. According to the interlocutor of the agency, diesel fuel burns.

The ship began to be repaired after in February 2017 he returned to Severomorsk from the Mediterranean Sea, where he participated in military operations in Syria. During this campaign, "Admiral Kuznetsov", according to official figures, lost two carrier-based fighters. Journalists noted that the cruiser smoked heavily during the campaign. Already during the repair, when the “Admiral Kuznetsov” left the floating dock of the 82nd shipyard in Roslyakov, the flooding ship sank on the night of October 30, 2018. One of the dock cranes fell onto the deck of an aircraft carrier. The Ministry of Industry and Trade then said that the hull structures above the waterline received minor damage to the ship.

In June 2019, the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, said that the fleet expected to receive an aircraft carrier in 2021 after modernization and that repairs were on schedule. In December, the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Alexei Rakhmanov, also said that repairs are on schedule and will be completed on time, but named the year 2022. He later specified that the ship needed additional repairs to the main turbines of the power plant.

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/687679?f ... 7njudW-j_M

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 12 Dec 2019, 11:11

https://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2019/12 ... ce-of-fire
https://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2019/12 ... ncy-rescue
https://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2019/12 ... -kuznetsov
https://theaviationist.com/2019/12/12/f ... -murmansk/

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 13 Dec 2019, 22:06

More on the fire story here (ships being welded in refit is a hazardous situation but sparks going into fuel storage? WTF?!)

12 Dec 2019 ...'''The fire may have started due to violations of safety protocol while workers conducted welding on the ship, TASS reported. Russian government-owned outlet Sputnik cited the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), Alexei Rakhmanov, as saying the fire broke out during welding work near the first energy compartment, when a spark fell into a hold space where fuel was handled." https://news.usni.org/2019/12/12/russia ... ast-1-dead

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 08 Jun 2022, 02:35

Russia's sole aircraft carrier suffers another repair delay - Tass

June 7 (Reuters) - Russia's only aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, has suffered another repair delay and will not reenter service until 2024 at the earliest, Tass quoted a defense source as saying on Tuesday.

The ship, launched in 1985, had been due to undergo a refit that would have seen it operational in 2023.

The source told Tass that defects in the work had been discovered and this meant the ship would remain in the dock for longer than initially planned. The vessel had initially been due to return to service this year but in 2021 that date was pushed back to 2023.

In December 2019 at least one military serviceman was killed and 12 people were injured by a fire on board the ship. The previous year it sustained damage during repair work when the floating dock holding it sank and a crane crashed onto its deck.

The carrier gained notoriety in Britain in 2017 when then-Defence Secretary Michael Fallon dubbed it the "ship of shame" as it passed through waters close to the English coast belching black smoke.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru ... AVp9M_h50U

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 09 Jun 2022, 15:21

marsavian wrote:The sad story of Admiral Kuznetsov which makes you appreciate what a well suited combination are the QE carriers with F-35B using similar ski ramps.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... uilt-80026

They really should mothball it or turn it into a training carrier for pilot training and proficiency. Honestly, it's an embarrassment to Russia, not an asset.

If I were them, I'd forego any fixed wing carrier aviation assets. Not part of their history, and they clearly aren't getting the hang of it. The helicopter carrier idea is better IMO, but still not optimal. Too much exposure to land based anti-ship missiles, as we're seeing now in Ukraine. Personally, I'd be working on over the horizon drones for recon/strike and the helicopters for other work.

pron · by **pron** » 22 Dec 2022, 13:35

Once again a fire on "Admiral Kuznetsov" This time a rather small one.

A fire broke out on the only Russian aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov". Since 2018 Kuznitsov has been under repair in Murmansk which should continue until 2024.
This is not the first fire incident, in 2019, a fire broke out during which 2 people died and 14 were injured.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/sta ... 6786768896

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-kuznets ... er-1768956

weasel1962 · by **weasel1962** » 22 Dec 2022, 14:56

Fire seems to be common for russki builds. Same thing happened with India's Vikramaditya CV (ex Adm Gorshkov)

Adm Kuz was due to exit dry dock starting Dec 20 and complete outfitting repairs at pier. Location of dock of 35th shipyard is at 69.027369,33.067237. Can see the CV moored at pierside at 69.040068,33.069298 on Google maps. This repair job is a prestige project. Very little tactical value.

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 23 Dec 2022, 20:13

Geez, at what point do they throw the towel in?

Obsolete when it was fielded in '85, nevermind now. Has the feel of a Vlad vanity/prestige type of thing, similar to the SU-57. I just can't see why they're still trying... unless they plan to sell it?

Even then, who'd want it??