Russian Aircraft Carrier Accident

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Unread post29 Nov 2018, 16:43

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What makes the Zircon a more special case than your average hypersonic maneuverable Kinzhal or Iskander missile is that it claims to have some plasma cloud surrounding it( I am not joking). I heard putting plasma technology in a certain aircraft has failed horribly but it seems they are keen in still playing with this technology. How it navigates like using INS or whatever I don't know(comms you need RF waves which will be absorbed by the plasma cloud) but they think its invisible to radar. Timeline for a operational Zircon missile would be in the mid 2020s and that is by just being very optimistic.


https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... ology.html

"According to recent Russian media reports, the Avangard hypersonic boost-glide system, one of the new super weapons that President Putin mentioned in his address to the Federal Assembly in March, went into production last summer and will be operational with the 13th Strategic Missile Forces division by the end of 2019. It will be deployed near Yasny, a town 502 kilometers (312 mi) southeast of Orenburg in the southern Urals, by the end of 2019.
Normally it takes two systems for a regiment to be combat ready by that time, but in this case that number will be increased to six. At least two regiments with six systems each are expected to be battle-ready by 2027. According to the state armaments program (GPV2027), twelve UR-100UTTKh (NATO: SS-19 Stiletto) missiles will be integrated into the Avangard hypersonic glide vehicles (HGVs). The deployment of the HGV might begin without additional flight tests. Eventually, the Sarmat RS-28 ICBM could be used to deliver the Avangard, potentially carrying a single, massive thermonuclear warhead with a yield exceeding two megatons.
The boost-glide weapon can fly at speeds of over Mach 20 or about 15,300 miles per hour (four miles per second). It could reach Washington in 15 minutes even if launched from Russia. There is no way to intercept it, as it moves in a cloud of plasma "like a meteorite." The weapon is distinctive for its ability to withstand extreme heat during the final phase of its trajectory thanks to its heat-resistant titanium casing. Its in-flight temperature reaches 1,600-2,000° Celsius."

DARPA tested a HGV 5 years ago reaching mach 20 but the results were not to their satisfaction. I don't know if the HTV-2 is still having tests conducted. https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... -warplane/

Easy with the vatnik insults. People on 4chan /k/ are saying that their board is an extension of F-16.net.
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Unread post29 Nov 2018, 20:37

fidgetspinner wrote:What makes the Zircon a more special case than your average hypersonic maneuverable Kinzhal or Iskander missile is that it claims to have some plasma cloud surrounding it( I am not joking).

Pure propaganda for internal Russian consumption.

It falls into the same boat as the "Raptor killing Su-57 Zoomski's that are too advanced so they are not needed yet" BS.
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Unread post30 Nov 2018, 07:19

Plasma stealth is a complete myth; Russia has been talking about it since the 1990s, and still have nothing to show for it. There's been various American research projects on the topic, and they've all come up with nothing to show for their efforts, so it is likely a dead-end.
The Zircon appears to be more of a propaganda program than an actual weapon, because so much of it is such obvious bullshit only fanboys would believe.

Avangard is more realistic, being just an extension of 1970-80s MaRVs. It is much more likely to actually exist, even though Russia has been shy about showing images of the actual weapon (all they've shown so far is a video of a cased item being loaded into a silo).
The claim it is scramjet powered is definitely bullshit though; being launched on top of an ICBM, it doesn't need an engine to achieve Mach 20 speeds.
The program is very expensive and likely to be delayed significantly because Russia is struggling to produce sufficient good quality carbon fibre the weapon needs.
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