F-15X: USAF Seems Interested

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Unread post23 Apr 2019, 09:27

Quoted from the above source........


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“You say all sorts of things when you’ve been taken hostage,” Richard Aboulafia, a longtime military aircraft analyst for the Teal Group, said of the Air Force’s new F-15 orders. “I’m hard-pressed to meet anyone who wore Air Force blue who is not now in government who really likes this idea.”


Meanwhile, the Pentagon’s inspector general’s office is expected to release a report soon on whether Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan improperly promoted the products of his old employer: Boeing. He had a 30-year career at Boeing and assumed the helm at the Defense Department following Jim Mattis’ resignation in December. Some reports have indicated Shanahan disparaged the F-35 program, though he is far from the first official to criticize that program’s cost and delays.


“I’m not expecting them to find any smoking gun there,”
Aboulafia said. That is not going to be what kills this. It’s going to be the F-35 caucus.”


Even before the Air Force detailed its request, five senators from states where the F-35 is produced, including longtime member of GOP Senate leadership Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, sent a letter to President Donald Trump and Shanahan warning not to fund the F-15 at the expense of the F-35.

Thus far, Missouri and St. Louis’ congressional delegation have been relatively quiet about the F-15 proposal. A spokesman for Rep. William Lacy Clay, a Democrat who represents the area where Boeing’s plant is, said the congressman is supportive.

Sen. Roy Blunt, a Missouri Republican who sits on the Appropriations Committee, called the F-15 program “critical” to the country’s defense.

The support from Democrats even from Missouri is lackluster at best....

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 95282.html
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Unread post23 Apr 2019, 09:53

weasel1962 wrote:
2 of these members are signatories of the pro-F-35 letter (Lisa Murkowski & Susan Collins). 5 senators on that committee are in states with significant Boeing presence. Lindey Graham, Roy Blunt, Jerry Moran and most importantly Dick Durbin who is the ranking member and Richard Shelby who is the Chairman.


What?!

Graham and Shelby are incredibly pro-F-35 and Shelby has to be the most inveterate Boeing foe in
Congress with the exception of one program: SLS. Moran's pretty hostile to Boeing after they closed
the Kansas plant that was supposed to do the tanker.
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Unread post23 Apr 2019, 10:02

Richard Shelby owes a lot to the F-35 Program.

Shelby Praises F-35A Site Selection in Montgomery

Dec 21 2017

WASHINGTON, DC – U.S. Senator Richard Shelby (R-Ala.), a senior member of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense, today released the following statement on the United States Air Force decision to select Dannelly Field, home of the 187th Fighter Wing – the Red Tails – of the Alabama Air National Guard in Montgomery, for the new F-35A fighter jet program:

“This announcement by the Air Force is excellent news for our state and a true testament to Alabama’s work in the defense sector. The strong support of the community, along with the proximity of Dannelly Field to several other major military bases, saving both time and money, led Air Force Secretary Wilson to choose Montgomery for the new F-35A fighter jet program. I am extremely proud of the operational strength of the 187th Fighter Wing, and I look forward to seeing the success of this new undertaking.”

The Air Force has been working to identify site locations for Operations 5 and 6 for the F-35A fighter jet program. The Air Force currently trains 90 percent of their officers at Maxwell Air Force Base, also in the Montgomery area. Truax Field at Dane County Regional Airport in Wisconsin was also announced as a new site for the F-35A fighter jet program.

The F-35A is a 5th Generation fighter jet that combines advanced stealth with fighter speed and agility, fully fused sensor information, network-enabled operations and advanced sustainment. Three variants of the F-35 will replace legacy fighters for the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Navy, the U.S. Marine Corps, and 10 other countries around the world. According to the Air Force, the F-35A will replace the Air Force’s aging fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons and A-10 Thunderbolt II’s, which have been the primary fighter aircraft for more than 20 years.

The 187th Fighter Wing, a part of the Alabama Air National Guard, is stationed at Montgomery Air National Guard Base and currently includes a squadron of F-16 fighter jets, a combat communications group, an RC-26 reconnaissance aircraft squadron, and an eagle vision unit. Colonel William Sparrow recently assumed command of the 187th Fighter Wing from Colonel Randy Efferson in a change of command ceremony at the Montgomery Regional Air National Guard Base.


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Unread post23 Apr 2019, 10:16

Sen. Lindsey Graham pitches Trump on F-35s during visit to South Carolina’s McEntire Air Guard Base

By Jamie Lovegrove

Oct 27, 2017

EASTOVER — In what seems to be an increasingly common occurrence for U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, the Seneca Republican was in a meeting Friday when President Donald Trump called. This time, the chat focused on airplanes.

While meeting with U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson, R-Springdale, and Air Force Chief of Staff General David Goldfein at McEntire Joint National Guard Base, Graham used the president’s call to loop him into the conversation and pitch him on the benefits of F-35 stealth fighter jets.

Known for his hawkish stance on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Graham said he told Trump that he doesn’t want any U.S. military engagement to be a fair fight.


I want the Chinese and the Russians and any other nation-state to know that if you go to air against the United States Air Force, the Navy and the Marine Corps, you’re not coming back,” Graham said. “That means we need to invest in new platforms.”

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Unread post23 Apr 2019, 13:15

Corsair1963 wrote:Sen. Lindsey Graham pitches Trump on F-35s during visit to South Carolina’s McEntire Air Guard Base

By Jamie Lovegrove

Oct 27, 2017

EASTOVER — In what seems to be an increasingly common occurrence for U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, the Seneca Republican was in a meeting Friday when President Donald Trump called. This time, the chat focused on airplanes.

While meeting with U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson, R-Springdale, and Air Force Chief of Staff General David Goldfein at McEntire Joint National Guard Base, Graham used the president’s call to loop him into the conversation and pitch him on the benefits of F-35 stealth fighter jets.

Known for his hawkish stance on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Graham said he told Trump that he doesn’t want any U.S. military engagement to be a fair fight.


I want the Chinese and the Russians and any other nation-state to know that if you go to air against the United States Air Force, the Navy and the Marine Corps, you’re not coming back,” Graham said. “That means we need to invest in new platforms.”

https://www.postandcourier.com/politics ... 24881.html


Give that man a gold star.

Well said,and I hope Trump gets the message...
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Unread post24 Apr 2019, 00:27

Simple fact is the F-15EX is clearly having an impact on F-35 Orders! (and a costly one at that) :?

The US Air Force, not Turkey, is frustrating Lockheed execs on the F-35 program

By: Valerie Insinna


WASHINGTON —Turkey’s purchase of Lockheed Martin’s F-35 is in jeopardy due to its order of a Russian air defense system, but Lockheed executives on Tuesday appeared unruffled by the dispute.

Rather, they signaled that an inconsistent demand by the U.S. military — particularly the Air Force — is a bigger long-term concern.


During an April 23 earnings call, one Wall Street analyst asked how Lockheed is dealing with shifts in the F-35 production rate caused by fluctuations in U.S. demand and the uncertainty of future orders with Turkey, Canada and Italy.


Turkey has ignored pleas from NATO to scrap its deal with the S-400 surface-to-air missile system, and the Trump administration could soon face a decision on whether to remove Turkey from the joint strike fighter program.


Lockheed Chief Executive Marillyn Hewson did not mention Turkey by name, but responded that decisions about Turkish participation in the program remain with the U.S. government.


“I suppose the JPO [F-35 joint program office] will have to figure out how they manage what aircraft they buy at what point in time, as countries look at their procurement decisions or as things change among some of the partners that we have,” she said. “But I think they’re managing that risk quite well and the demand is very strong.”


Turkey is “an important ally of ours, a least today,” he said, but the country plans to buy only eight aircraft per lot over the upcoming block buy, which spans lots 12 through 14. Lockheed is hopeful that Italy will sustain its interest in the program, but Possenriede noted that its buy is “not a material number of aircraft.” Meanwhile, Canada is still not yet under contract for the F-35, but plans to start a new fighter competition as soon as next month.


“I think the frustrating piece for us is the United States Air Force and we’ll continue working with our customer and with representatives in the government on what’s the right path forward there,” Possenriede said.


In the fiscal year 2020 budget, the U.S. Defense Department plans to buy 78 joint strike fighters for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. However, the Air Force, the F-35’s largest customer, requested just 48 F-35As in FY20 and intends to buy only 48 F-35As annually over the next five years — a far cry from the 60 jet buy rate that Air Force officials had previously held as a goal.


Meanwhile, Turkey is set to buy 100 F-35As over the entirety of the program. Turkish companies are also part of the program’s industrial base and play a role in sustainment — a complication that neither Hewson nor Possenriede commented on.


By FY20, Lockheed will be able to offer an F-35A conventional take off and landing model at a cost of $80 million or less, Possenriede said. The company is also working to lower sustainment costs to $25,000 per flight hour by 2025, which is on par with the cost of flying fourth generation fighters.


However, it remains to be seen whether that will be enough to entice the Air Force to increase its buy rates, especially as it also plans to begin procuring the F-15X from rival Boeing in FY20.

Defense Department officials have maintained that the F-35 program of record remains the same, and that overall quantities aren’t in danger of being slashed if the services buy the jets more slowly. Hewson said she sees that as a positive sign.

“How they manage what they buy year to year, that’s always been a challenge as they look at what their overall needs are relative to the budgets that they have to work with,” she said. “I think that’s going to continue.”


Hewson also believes that there are opportunities to extend the current program well beyond the 3,300 sales that Lockheed has racked up so far, citing reports of Poland and Romania’s interest in the jet.


“We frankly have great capacity on this program. We’ve got facilities in place; we’re going to be in the position to produce over 180 aircraft a year. We’re prepared to do that,” she said.

https://www.defensenews.com/industry/20 ... 5-program/
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Unread post24 Apr 2019, 01:49

quicksilver wrote:‘Circumstantial’ = ‘a war going on’

Changes the calculus on sooo many decisions...



I know...


What we concluded was that it wasn't going to be "IEDs and RPGs" forever. Even more so as the administration was going to get out us the heck out of dodge of Iraq and Afghanistan fairly soon after. We knew also that the F-22 was built to do its mission for decades. Further proving out that the F-22 would probably be needed as it was indeed not made for the war we were fighting (and trying to leave). it turned out to be a false dichotomy this was the GWOT vs Gold plate. But this is back before things essentially became "forever war" at this point the War in Iraq was "only" 5 (depending on when you started counting) and Afghanistan was "only" 7.

The US was going to spend a trillion dollars on jobs while shutting down a production line that was already producing a product the government needed as well. Instead we got the "Stimulus" which is now widely regarded as a failure.

Even at the time it was short sighted and some realized it. It was a bad decision, and its basically been verified every year since. But then again we never really left IRaq or Afghanistan either and we expanded in Syria, Libya, and we are involved in Yemen. So the jokes on me there. I thought we would actually be less involved, not even more in more places.

But at least we got racial harmony and cheaper healthcare, the banks severely punished, and no regrets about ending F-22 production early since the day the last one rolled down the line.

:doh: :doh: :doh:

The biggest problem, is the US needs to make a choice. And its an important one. Kabul or Tokyo? Baghdad or Berlin? whats really important if you have to choose? We are pretty much "stuck" in wars we can't really "win" which works out, because even if we won you don't "win" much anyway, the goal in Afghanistan is to leave, which we can do now but won't. Besides the middle east is moving into Europe, a prize very much worth having and they're advancing. Whats the point of "winning" in Afghanistan or Iraq or Syria, or Libya if you lose something better?
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Unread post24 Apr 2019, 02:22

Just shows how critical the decision is to buy or not buy the F-15EX........... :shock:
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Unread post24 Apr 2019, 14:40

Corsair1963 wrote:Just shows how critical the decision is to buy or not buy the F-15EX........... :shock:


Buying more F-15EX is clearly the wrong decision.

For Christ's sake, LM is capable of stamping out 180 airframes a year (cheaper than any 4th gen) and we aren't doing it? Are people crazy? The USAF/Shannahan or whoever you'd like to finger has so lost touch with reality, we're pulling a Canada - instead building more 1980's (and that's being charitable) airframes..

It'd be one thing if the F-35 were a lot more expensive. It'd be another if it wasn't dramatically superior to everything else flying. But that's not the case. It's cheaper, it's way better and the CPFH is only going to come down. Someone should round up Gates, Shannahan and anyone else making stupid decisions and prosecute them for treason.

The Chinese are literally laughing right now..
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Unread post24 Apr 2019, 20:35

Even if the plan falters in Congress, the F-15 line in St. Louis is secure through the end of 2022 while the Qatar order is filled. Unlike the past Prat Kumar, a Boeing vice president and program manager of F-15 programs, said Boeing executives aren’t worried about the program’s imminent shutdown. Like before, foreign orders could always keep the manufacturing line running for another decade.

“The world looks to what the U.S. Air Force does,” Kumar said. “The very fact that the Air Force has requested it in the budget has already fueled a significant amount of interest.”




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Air Force buys 4th gen fighters after telling the world they were obsolete??
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Unread post25 Apr 2019, 03:30

XanderCrews wrote:

Air Force buys 4th gen fighters after telling the world they were obsolete??


That reminds me when the Obama Administration and former SecDef Gates were making claims to end the F-22 line early because there would be no rivals to the F-22 for the foreseeable future...
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Unread post25 Apr 2019, 06:44

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me at all. If, this was just a plan from the start to get additional funding for more F-35's. Think about it.....

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Unread post25 Apr 2019, 12:55

Corsair1963 wrote:Honestly, it wouldn't shock me at all. If, this was just a plan from the start to get additional funding for more F-35's. Think about it.....

:poke:


Apparently we're all too stoopid to figure it out. Why don't you tell us how spending money on F-15Xs gets you MORE money for F-35s.
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Unread post25 Apr 2019, 14:10

It's also a question of whether the USAF thinks that replacing the -15s (or at least those not immediately at risk of a sudden unplanned wing removal incident) is worth speeding up F-35 acquisition.

Would the Silent Eagle in the same situation be under as much scrutiny as the X?
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Unread post25 Apr 2019, 14:26

krieger22 wrote:Would the Silent Eagle in the same situation be under as much scrutiny as the X?


What's the difference between the two? :?
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