Russian UAV/UCAV developments

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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 02:11

Altius-M is claimed to be using German Red A03 V12 engines.

Interesting bit about those engines:
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 02:35

This is getting embarrassing.
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 04:10



:doh: OK, I admit it, Boeing engineers really know their sh*t. :mrgreen:
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 04:45

project458 wrote:You will be when the Okhotnik-B ( Hunter-B ) fly's in a couple of months :) but like I said before enjoy your small lead in UAV/UCAV, we'll it lasts.



Will it have an engine, perchance?
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 08:51

element1loop wrote:
project458 wrote:You will be when the Okhotnik-B ( Hunter-B ) fly's in a couple of months :) but like I said before enjoy your small lead in UAV/UCAV, we'll it lasts.

Will it have an engine, perchance?

I love KGBs logic how a first flight of a drone somehow immediately erases all shortcomings. Following the same logic:

UK Flew Taranis in 2013. That must mean that it has all the stealth and 6th gen tech since then! Cancel that ancient-tech F-35 order immediately!

The same with engines. Russia finally flies an engine with claimed thrust in similar class to the F119, over 20 years later than F-22 did it's first flight (never mind the ATF competition earlier, where prototype engines flew) ... "Breaking news: Engine gap closed!" No need to get it to production and in service. No need to compare it to current US developments ...

By the time Russia gets Izdeliye-30 equipped Su-57's into service in any meaningful numbers US will already be frighteningly close to having Variable Cycle Engines in the air
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 09:29

Programs KGB highlights as great successes would get axed in the West before the end of the working day, and inquiries made as to who was responsible for that?

Northrop Grumman X-47B ... just another advanced drone design that was likewise discarded.

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We're spoiled for choices.

UK Taranis (note the bomb bay)

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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 13:56

And let's not forget the Boeing Phantom Ray.

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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 14:35

Official information:
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 15:07

element1loop wrote:
project458 wrote:You will be when the Okhotnik-B ( Hunter-B ) fly's in a couple of months :) but like I said before enjoy your small lead in UAV/UCAV, we'll it lasts.



Will it have an engine, perchance?



Well if you see it flying, I think you can put 2 and 2 together :D
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 15:15

element1loop wrote:Programs KGB highlights as great successes would get axed in the West before the end of the working day, and inquiries made as to who was responsible for that?

Northrop Grumman X-47B ... just another advanced drone design that was likewise discarded.

UK Taranis (note the bomb bay)

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Here is the main difference between Russian and Western aircraft development, Russia most of the time skips proof of concept or demonstrator phase and goes straight for the prototypes.
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 15:20

project458 wrote:
element1loop wrote:Programs KGB highlights as great successes would get axed in the West before the end of the working day, and inquiries made as to who was responsible for that?

Northrop Grumman X-47B ... just another advanced drone design that was likewise discarded.

UK Taranis (note the bomb bay)

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Here is the main difference between Russian and Western aircraft development, Russia most of the time skips proof of concept or demonstrator phase and goes straight for the prototypes.


So were the Mig 1.44 and Su-47 Berkut prototypes?
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 21:15

sferrin wrote:
project458 wrote:
element1loop wrote:Programs KGB highlights as great successes would get axed in the West before the end of the working day, and inquiries made as to who was responsible for that?

Northrop Grumman X-47B ... just another advanced drone design that was likewise discarded.

UK Taranis (note the bomb bay)

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Here is the main difference between Russian and Western aircraft development, Russia most of the time skips proof of concept or demonstrator phase and goes straight for the prototypes.


So were the Mig 1.44 and Su-47 Berkut prototypes?


I did say," most of the time", and Mig-1.44 and Su-47 are the exception rather than the norm.
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Unread post11 Sep 2018, 21:20

element1loop wrote:
knowan wrote:https://southfront.org/russias-altius-m-heavy-uav/

maximum altitude of 12km


Turbos could get it to 30 K feet just, but it would wheeze to get to 39k feet if at all. Maybe with 5% fuel remaining it could struggle to get close to that, eventually, but it would be empty of payload and just about out of juice to do it. Oh, and that link claims it's a "heavy-UAV". The next thing is its miserable available payload and viable range, and high-drag design.

One wonders why they couldn't manage a low-drag single-engine airframe design?

Yeah, I think we all know the answer to that.

project458 wrote: First pics and video of the Altius-M in flight, it has 5000 kg take off weight ...





Good luck with simultaneous useful payload, and useful range.

project458 wrote: The engines will be upgraded in future, the program is barely 7 years old, there are a few more years of development left …


oh right, the non-existent engine thing once again. “Seven years” of development and they couldn’t sort out a PT6-ski? Another lame excuse for having nothing ready to go once more. As for the US/West having only an alleged “small” and temporary lead over Russia in UAVs and UCAV tech you really are well beyond clinically delusional as someone else already suggested.



You call 2 two tons of payload low for a UAV? :| Thats more than the Reaper ?
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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 08:08

project458 wrote:You call 2 two tons of payload low for a UAV? :| Thats more than the Reaper ?



We only have your highly-unreliable assertions to go by as to Altius-M's wholely imaginary payload. And it may never become operational, but given it's Russia it just might get there as they operate all sorts of outmoded junk. And we sure can't, don't and won't be trusting any official Russian claims as you so glibly seem to, as they're notoriously hyped and wildly optimistic, typically over-promising and characteristically hopelessly under-delivering, if anything is delivered at all.

But besides that, the 'Altius-M' contraption is claimed to be a "Heavy UAV" so you'd naturally expect it to have a hefty payload, plus outstanding altitude range and radius performances--like say, an MQ-4 for instance.

Whereas according to you the Altius-M will have a range of ~2,000 km, and it's now been independently established that the current engines are certified for a maximum altitude of 25K ft which is comparatively pitiful altitude for what claims to be a "Heavy UAV", in 2018.

But then you claim there's another engine coming ... oh, you just wait! ... you'll all see! :lmao:

And you then compare it to a Reaper, which is not a "Heavy UAV", it's just a fairly small, light tactical UCAV, which has phenomenal payload, altitude and range performances, and can perform ISR, targeting or BDA, while delivering LGBs to regional ranges, day after day, and can keep doing that for as long as you like. Under FAA certification regulations anything less than 12,500 lbs falls within the category of "Light Aircraft".

Reaper maximum takeoff weight: 10,494 lb

Reaper alone puts the wondrous Altius-M to shame.

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But those two now aging US drone families have just a small and temporary technical and performance edge over the new you-beaut Russian HALE super-duper drones! ... which are just months away! ... ... no, really! ... :mrgreen:


Dude, that's one whole lot of nuthin' burger.
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Unread post12 Sep 2018, 14:16

element1loop wrote:
project458 wrote:You call 2 two tons of payload low for a UAV? :| Thats more than the Reaper ?



We only have your highly-unreliable assertions to go by as to Altius-M's wholely imaginary payload. And it may never become operational, but given it's Russia it just might get there as they operate all sorts of outmoded junk. And we sure can't, don't and won't be trusting any official Russian claims as you so glibly seem to, as they're notoriously hyped and wildly optimistic, typically over-promising and characteristically hopelessly under-delivering, if anything is delivered at all.

But besides that, the 'Altius-M' contraption is claimed to be a "Heavy UAV" so you'd naturally expect it to have a hefty payload, plus outstanding altitude range and radius performances--like say, an MQ-4 for instance.

Whereas [b]according to you the Altius-M will have a range of ~2,000 km, and it's now been independently established that the current engines are certified for a maximum altitude of 25K ft which is comparatively pitiful altitude for what claims to be a "Heavy UAV", in 2018. [/b]

But then you claim there's another engine coming ... oh, you just wait! ... you'll all see! :lmao:

And you then compare it to a Reaper, which is not a "Heavy UAV", it's just a fairly small, light tactical UCAV, which has phenomenal payload, altitude and range performances, and can perform ISR, targeting or BDA, while delivering LGBs to regional ranges, day after day, and can keep doing that for as long as you like. Under FAA certification regulations anything less than 12,500 lbs falls within the category of "Light Aircraft".

Reaper maximum takeoff weight: 10,494 lb

Reaper alone puts the wondrous Altius-M to shame.

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But those two now aging US drone families have just a small and temporary technical and performance edge over the new you-beaut Russian HALE super-duper drones! ... which are just months away! ... ... no, really! ... :mrgreen:


Dude, that's one whole lot of nuthin' burger.




First, 2000km will be the absolute minimum range for the Altius-M, its real range will be a lot more.

Two, FAA regulations don't mean sh*t to Russia

Three, Reaper is overrated :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvPAUo6kTyU

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14 ... over-yemen

If foot flop wearing malnourished Yemen rebels can do that, just imagine what the Russian Military can do, oh wait no need to imagine

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/r ... ia-n863931
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