SU-57 deployed to Syria

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Unread post24 Feb 2018, 20:51

They are not going to use the S-400s in anger because there would be a major state conflict in Syria if they do. What usually happens is that whoever wants to fly in Syria runs it past the Russians first. Russia just wants to maintain its bases and influence in Syria and knock off as many jihadists as they can because some of them came from the Russian Caucasus states.
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Unread post24 Feb 2018, 22:10

tsl256 wrote:There is 4 deployed now

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sputniknew ... l-reports/


So out of 11 airframs built so far (3 are static bench birds), 4 are deployed in a combat theatre (almost 40%). We know for sure they're flying with an inferior engine, not the desired avionics and god only knows how stealthy. I said it before and I'll say it again - I trust Tom Cooper's view on the subject. I for sure wouldn't want to be the pilots flying into a war zone with Russia's flagship fighter when it hasn't even gone IOC..

Has NATO assigned a codename yet? I rather like the SU-57 Firefly. Owing to its RCS balloning every so often on radar scopes... :mrgreen:
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Unread post24 Feb 2018, 22:33

Su-57 "Fake News" ??

:cheers:
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Unread post24 Feb 2018, 22:40

SpudmanWP wrote:Su-57 "Fake News" ??

:cheers:


OMG. Excellent!

Speaks to its "alleged" VLO properties...
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Unread post25 Feb 2018, 00:27

mixelflick wrote:
tsl256 wrote:Has NATO assigned a codename yet? I rather like the SU-57 Firefly. Owing to its RCS balloning every so often on radar scopes... :mrgreen:


I vote for SU-57 Flapjack
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Unread post25 Feb 2018, 00:44

delta9991 wrote:
mixelflick wrote:
tsl256 wrote:Has NATO assigned a codename yet? I rather like the SU-57 Firefly. Owing to its RCS balloning every so often on radar scopes... :mrgreen:


I vote for SU-57 Flapjack


It certainly is as flat as one. The thing looks like someone stepped on a Flanker.
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Unread post25 Feb 2018, 01:53

delta9991 wrote:
mixelflick wrote:
tsl256 wrote:Has NATO assigned a codename yet? I rather like the SU-57 Firefly. Owing to its RCS balloning every so often on radar scopes... :mrgreen:


I vote for SU-57 Flapjack

But, but...that’s the name of the XF-5U!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_XF5U
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Unread post25 Feb 2018, 04:10

I vote for SU-57 Flapjack[/quote]

It certainly is as flat as one. The thing looks like someone stepped on a Flanker.[/quote]

Hey, that's my line!

I knew I should have trademarked it..
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Unread post25 Feb 2018, 17:43

element1loop wrote:
neptune wrote:Since al-Assad only controls 1/3 of the country, I surmise the escorts are along to bomb any SU-57 crash site that should occur?
:)


may take a while ... dumb bombs only ... not good shot



They could always destroy any crash site with a missile strike from the Caspian sea... something else we thought they couldn't do.
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Unread post25 Feb 2018, 21:29

rheonomic wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Love the way they neatly lined it up with their latest Flankers.

The same way our P-40's were lined up at Pearl Harbor... :P


I mean, it'd be a shame if something were to happen to them...


Russian and Syrian aircraft have been attacked on the ground by Daesh forces using some rather novel and clever tactics...

https://theaviationist.com/2018/01/08/d ... -in-syria/
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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 02:17

Israeli satellite imagery has confirmed the deployment of Russia’s newest Sukhoi Su-57 stealth fighter jets in war-torn Syria.

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Am I the only one who tried to look up this location?? 35.2434205, 35.5631936 is in the Mediterranean? About 20 miles off the coast?

Also Google Earth has a image from 25 Feb 2018 for 35.411667, 35.945 which is where the image above is from. The runways are both fully constructed, where 35L is still in construction here.

From the original post before people covered it:
https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/stat ... 613622787/

Even Russia Today has the story as "Su-57’s debut? Video claims to show Russia’s 5th-gen jets in action over Syria"
The official cheerleaders of Russia in general is skeptical??
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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 11:48

https://www.rt.com/news/419816-su-57-syria-trial/

The aircraft have been sent to Syria to test their capabilities in a semi-combat environment, the Russian business daily Kommersant reported, citing insider sources. The trial will initially focus on electronic warfare and radar capabilities of the 5th-generation fighter jet, rather than its weapon systems, the report said. A decision on the Syrian trial was taken after the MAKS 2017 airshow near Moscow in July, the source revealed.

The advanced fighter jets were deployed to Syria less than two weeks after US forces attacked and devastated a group of pro-government forces, which included some Russian citizens. Moscow insisted that none of the Russians hurt in the incident were part of the country’s military force in Syria.

In addition to the Su-57s, Russia also deployed four advanced Su-35s fighter jets last week, and an A-50U airborne early warning and control plane.
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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 12:11

"The trial will initially focus on electronic warfare and radar capabilities of the 5th-generation fighter jet, rather than its weapon systems"
That literally makes no sense.
Do the Russkies not have this?
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Or better yet, an instrumented test range like the US has in Nevada? To not risk your precious prototypes?
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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 12:36

Instrumented test ranges don't have live F-22s flying around. They probably want to see at what range the main/rear AESA and IRST and wing L-band pick up the F-22 and the quality of the tracks. This is Su-57's most important mission, to try to detect and handle American stealth fighters.

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Unread post26 Feb 2018, 14:45

[quote="marsavian"]Instrumented test ranges don't have live F-22s flying around. They probably want to see at what range the main/rear AESA and IRST and wing L-band pick up the F-22 and the quality of the tracks. This is Su-57's most important mission, to try to detect and handle American stealth fighters.

I would agree with this premise, although if I read correctly they're only equipped with 1 forward facing radar in the nose. Sure, she has other sensors but they're a long way from having the claimed 5 radars she's designed to carry. And isn't that one facing forward radar a PESA and not an AESA? I dunno. The SU-35 is also supposed to be a stealth hunter.

Couldn't they just use it to try and characterize the F-22's radar signature?
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