SU-57 deployed to Syria

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Unread post09 Mar 2018, 19:06

awsome wrote:So what is the alternative... hide here in your F-16.net/CNN echo chamber? In an environment where those who know know and everyone else is a spy, wild speculation is the only fun that is left.

The difference between wild speculation and an educated guess is that one of them sounds like a fairy tale and the other is supported with a solid hypothesis.

At F-16.net you can always make an educated guess that forms into a healthy discussion.
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Unread post09 Mar 2018, 21:02

hornetfinn wrote:
white_lightning35 wrote:I guarantee that no f-35 will ever pull 9g's, achieve mach 1.6, carry 18,000lbs of weapons, and be carrier capable simultaneously. 8)


In APA world Su-27 derivatives can fly at Mach 1.8+, 50,000ft+ and carry 12 AAMs while simultaneously doing Cobras and Kulbits, so why not F-35... :P


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You forgot that in APA's world, they can dodge the F-35's AMRAAMs, while simultaneously engage the F-35s from significant range, and then close in for superior WVR kills. :twisted:
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Unread post09 Mar 2018, 22:50

Russians went home after they saw that the US was actually USING the F-22. :devil:

"Damm, the thing exists, and it does exactly what it says in the folder?"
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Unread post10 Mar 2018, 16:56

vilters wrote:Russians went home after they saw that the US was actually USING the F-22. :devil:

"Damm, the thing exists, and it does exactly what it says in the folder?"
"Damm.........." :devil:


Honestly, I think there has to be lots of Russian 5th gen envy. Most obvious is the U.S., with small numbers of a deployed superfighter that puts everything else to shame. They're crowing a lot about their shiny new SU-35's, but they have to be realists too. It won't last long against the F-22. And now there are F-35's in theatre, which puts their vaunted S-300/400 SAM systems at risk. That too, poses an extreme risk to their SU-30's and 35's.

On their border, the Chinese have declared their J-20 IOC. While this may not be a truly combat capable bird yet, it's apparently a lot further along than their SU-57. The J-31 isn't far behind, and if it turns out to be even LO (if not VLO) and affordable, doesn't bode well for their Flanker exports. Even if the SU-57 became a mature design, how many countries could afford it? The Indians might be able to, but by all accounts they're panning it.

So I think they have a lot of 5th gen envy, and someone in Russia with the benefit of hindsight is probably kicking themselves for not running with a cheaper, more capable LO/VLO design vs. the SU-57. MIG is supposed to be working on one, but seems all but incapable. Sukhoi could start over with a clean sheet design from scratch, but that's unlikely. It will be at least another 5 years before the SU-57 bugs are ironed out, perhaps 10.

At which point F-35 costs will be circa 80 million, the aircraft will have matured and at least a half dozen countries will be flying and fighting with a 5th gen mentality. It isn't looking very pretty for them...
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Unread post10 Mar 2018, 23:13

hornetfinn wrote:In APA world Su-27 derivatives can fly at Mach 1.8+, 50,000ft+ and carry 12 AAMs while simultaneously doing Cobras and Kulbits, so why not F-35... :P


Ironically, the A/A combat load in Syria for the Su-30/35 is only 6 AAM.
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Unread post11 Mar 2018, 19:23

hornetfinn wrote:
white_lightning35 wrote:I guarantee that no f-35 will ever pull 9g's, achieve mach 1.6, carry 18,000lbs of weapons, and be carrier capable simultaneously. 8)


In APA world Su-27 derivatives can fly at Mach 1.8+, 50,000ft+ and carry 12 AAMs while simultaneously doing Cobras and Kulbits, so why not F-35... :P


I don't know what is old Su-27M top speed in this configuration but Cobra isn't problem with heavy missile load:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsyMUAfh6fg

Su-35S would do that easier.
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Unread post12 Mar 2018, 08:58

milosh wrote:
hornetfinn wrote:
white_lightning35 wrote:I guarantee that no f-35 will ever pull 9g's, achieve mach 1.6, carry 18,000lbs of weapons, and be carrier capable simultaneously. 8)


In APA world Su-27 derivatives can fly at Mach 1.8+, 50,000ft+ and carry 12 AAMs while simultaneously doing Cobras and Kulbits, so why not F-35... :P


I don't know what is old Su-27M top speed in this configuration but Cobra isn't problem with heavy missile load:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsyMUAfh6fg

Su-35S would do that easier.


Sure, but they are not doing those while flying at high supersonic speed at high altitude. Even heavy air-to-air missile load doesn't affect slow speed maneuverability that much. Super Hornet has also shown very nice airshow maneuvers in pretty heavy missile loads.
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Unread post16 Mar 2018, 00:06

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milosh wrote:Elections are very close so be ready to hear more propaganda from state media.


I hear they think that Putin might win.


Stoopid Americans only ever get two choices for president, they say.

xaxaxa, in glorious Soviet Russia you only need one! :mrgreen:


When your choices are hillary or trump two choices is not enough. When Putin is your choice one is all you need...
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Unread post16 Mar 2018, 14:39

So now that the SU-57 is back home, what have they gained?

Such a brief publicity stunt fooled no one, least of which India? I rather doubt 2 days is/was long enough to evaluate her radar and other systems. I mean ok, you flew it there and back. Is 2 days enough of a window to accomplish... anything?
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Unread post16 Mar 2018, 17:00

You could see whether or not your systems can detect any of the F-22s flying around. Just a checkbox item.
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Unread post16 Mar 2018, 23:55

Since it has Su-35's radar, why not just do it with them?
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Unread post17 Mar 2018, 02:16

maybe just a deployment to test if the nav system crashes when they change time zones... 8)
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Unread post17 Mar 2018, 03:22

madrat wrote:Since it has Su-35's radar, why not just do it with them?


Maybe its testing for a response from the US side.

EG: if we move towards AWACS A, how close can we get before interceptors to react?

It's also possible that the answer they got was: oh crap that was Hellas fast! Better retreat to the motherland!
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Unread post17 Mar 2018, 03:46

awsome wrote:maybe just a deployment to test if the nav system crashes when they change time zones... 8)


Su57 has a nav system? ... Garmin BushWalker?
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Unread post07 Apr 2018, 22:24

madrat wrote:Since it has Su-35's radar, why not just do it with them?



No it does not, Su-57 prototypes are flying around with N036 Byelka AESA.
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