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Unread post17 Dec 2017, 04:29

Kurds are people, too. Funny how most of the world has renounced past atrocities against indigenous populations. How is Turkey coming along with that? Never mind the constant human trafficking conducted across the European continent by Turkish gangs. Never mind the constant smuggling of small arms by Turkish operatives during the Balkans crisis. It sucks for them that they endure the bed they made for themselves.

If it was up to me I'd only export stuff to them that burnt a hole in their wallets for marginal gains. True allies don't act abusively. And for damn sure they don't sleep with the enemy.
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Unread post17 Dec 2017, 17:43

arian wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:It's just a trustworthy NATO nation with purely defensive intent, that wants to ally with Russia and buy more military hardware for its expansionist goals.

What's so hard to understand about that :)


I remember when dipshitfreak...threatened...us that since a Turkish manufacturer did the final assembly of the screens going into the F-35's cockpit, that Turkey could put a virus inside all F-35s and render them all useless. So we better be nice and good to the Ottoman Sultan. :roll: Cause that's how viruses and LCD screen assembly works.
Why do we need Turkey to make the LCD Screens?

We should make it back here in the Good Ole USA.

There's nothing about the technology that can't be done here.
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Unread post17 Dec 2017, 21:41

KamenRiderBlade wrote:Why do we need Turkey to make the LCD Screens?

We should make it back here in the Good Ole USA.

There's nothing about the technology that can't be done here.


The screens are made by L3 Technologies, if I recall correctly. L3 has some assembly plants in Turkey, so since the work on F-35 was supposed to be divided also among "partner" countries, some work had to go to Turkey too. They basically just assemble the components made elsewhere. They don't actually make anything. The contract is minuscule since its just assembly work.
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Unread post18 Dec 2017, 02:45

Wishful thinking once again Arian:

Someone doesn’t understand plain English phrases like developing and sole source supplier.

Direct from the JSF project office- https://www.f35.com/global/participatio ... ticipation

Below are details on the 10 Turkish companies who have supported the development and/or production of F-35 / F135.

• Alp Aviation has been supporting the program since 2004 and currently manufactures F-35 production airframe structure and assemblies, production landing gear components and over 100 F135 production engine parts to include titanium integrated blade rotors.
Aselsan is developing manufacturing approaches for advanced optical components, which are part of the F-35 Electro Optical Targeting System. They are also working with Northrup Grumman on the F-35 CNI Avionic Interface Controller and will initiate full scale production activities in the near term.
Ayesas currently is the sole source supplier for two major F-35 components – missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display.
• Fokker Elmo manufactures 40 percent of the F-35 Electrical Wiring & Interconnection System (EWIS) and will also deliver and support TAI with all center section wiring systems. Fokker Elmo is also developing the EWIS for the F135 engine, for which a major share is produced in Fokker Elmo Turkey in Izmir.
• Havelsan has been supporting the F-35 training systems since 2005. Additionally, Havelsan has been instrumental as the Turkish lead for developing the construct of the future Turkish F-35 Integrated Pilot and Maintenance Training Center (ITC) and associated training systems in Turkey.
• Kale Aerospace has been supporting the F-35 since 2005. In conjunction with Turkish Aerospace Industries, they manufacture and produce F-35 airframe structures and assemblies. Kale Aero also supports Heroux Devtek as the sole source supplier for all three variants landing gear up lock assemblies. Additionally, Kale Aerospace has also established a joint venture in Izmir with Pratt & Whitney and is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine.
• MiKES has supported the F-35 Program during SDD delivering F-35 aircraft components and assemblies for BAE Systems and Northrop Grumman
ROKETSAN and Tubitak-SAGE are the Turkish joint leadership team who strategically manage the development, integration, and production of the advanced precision-guided Stand-off Missile (SOM-J) which will be carried internally on the 5th Generation F-35 aircraft. Additionally, Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control has partnered with Roketsan, through a teaming agreement, to jointly develop, produce, market and sell the advanced, precision guided Stand Off Missile – Joint Strike Fighter (SOM-J).
• Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been strategically supporting the F-35 Program since 2008. The company currently supplies production hardware that goes into every F-35 production aircraft. In conjunction with Northrup Grumman, TAI manufactures and assembles the center fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and manufactures fiber placement composite air inlet ducts. Additionally, TAI is strategically manufacturing 45 percent of the F-35’s including Air-to-Ground Pylons and adapters which is Alternate Mission Equipment (AME).

Additionally, Turkish Industry are going to have significant Industrial Participation role supporting Lockheed Martin and Pratt and Whitney for F-35 aircraft sustainment and F135 engine production and sustainment. Turkey has been given the approval to build its own F135 engines and was also selected to have the first European Regional F135 Engine depot overhaul capability. Both the engine production and overhaul will take place at the 1st HIBM in Eskisehir. Additionally, TAI has also been assigned to represent the organic depots of the Turkish Armed Forces within the Autonomic Logistic Global Sustainment (ALGS) system and Havelsan has been assigned as the Turkish Integrator for the National Integrated Training Center (ITC).


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Unread post18 Dec 2017, 04:48

Dipshitfreak, we've already had this conversation. Ayesas is a subsidiary of L-3 technologies and the contract involves final assembly. I've actually read the details of the contract, because unlike you, I have a functioning brain.

Ayesas is an assembler. It doesn't have the facilities or capability to produce any of the parts. You can go to their website and see.

Also, LOL: https://www.f35.com/news/detail/elbit-t ... s-for-f-35
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Unread post18 Dec 2017, 07:32

Once again you limit your response to one company mentioned in the list and seek to also distort the facts to suit your preconceived narrative.

AYDIN YAZILIM ve ELEKTRONİK SANAYİ A.Ş. is not a subsidiary of L3 Communications but rather a 60:40 joint-venture between Zorlu Holding Defence and L3 Communications with Zorlu being majority shareholder- http://www.ayesas.com/en/corporate

Ayesas is "sole supplier" for circuit card assemblies in the missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display unit.
http://www.ayesas.com/en/solutions/elec ... assemblies

CCAs of the electronic unit of F-35 (JSF) Panoramic Cockpit Display since 2007 as a single source for the whole program and for all three variants of the aircraft as the subcontractor to L-3 Display Systems, the USA.


CCAs of the F-35 (JSF) Missile Remote Interface Unit. AYESAŞ was involved to this project at the system design and development (SDD) phase in 2004, where it was part of the mechanical and electronic design and development activities. AYESAŞ is the single source supplier for the circuit card assemblies as well as the chassis of the MRIU since 2007.


That is, all F-35's contain circuit card assemblies produced in Turkey!
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Unread post18 Dec 2017, 20:22

airforces-freak the United states created this technology, don't you think we could build them ourselves, if we had to? Losing part of a supply chain is an inconvenience, that costs time, and money, it doesn't end a program. Any country from Israel to Thailand could pickup the contract. Erdogan's Turkey is nearing a parting of the ways with NATO, and the West in general. I only hope Congress comes to it's senses before any F-35s are delivered to the new Sultanate. If we don't turkey will be handing over F-35s for Russian, and Chinese inspection.
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Unread post18 Dec 2017, 22:43

Interesting comments from the Israeli defense minister about Turkey as it seems one of its F-35 allies has had enough of it. Just over a year to go until the first F-35 is delivered to it ...

https://www.rt.com/news/413569-ping-pong-israel-hamas/

The defense minister also claims that Turkey has been tacitly supporting Hamas, and that "we should revisit all our ties" with Ankara, to sever any dependence from Turkey and to discontinue a proposed gas project with Ankara which would give a "key to our whole gas pipeline" and Israel's energy security to Erdogan - a situation which would have "far-reaching consequences."

Lieberman also believes that the previous rapprochement with Turkey was a mistake, as Turkey cannot be trusted. He said he does not “believe a single word from Erdogan,” who has been issuing threats and uses all possible pretexts - such as Trump’s Jerusalem decision - for open hostility towards Israel.
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Unread post19 Dec 2017, 00:44

airforces_freak wrote:Once again you limit your response to one company mentioned in the list and seek to also distort the facts to suit your preconceived narrative.

AYDIN YAZILIM ve ELEKTRONİK SANAYİ A.Ş. is not a subsidiary of L3 Communications but rather a 60:40 joint-venture between Zorlu Holding Defence and L3 Communications with Zorlu being majority shareholder- http://www.ayesas.com/en/corporate

Ayesas is "sole supplier" for circuit card assemblies in the missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display unit.
http://www.ayesas.com/en/solutions/elec ... assemblies

CCAs of the electronic unit of F-35 (JSF) Panoramic Cockpit Display since 2007 as a single source for the whole program and for all three variants of the aircraft as the subcontractor to L-3 Display Systems, the USA.


CCAs of the F-35 (JSF) Missile Remote Interface Unit. AYESAŞ was involved to this project at the system design and development (SDD) phase in 2004, where it was part of the mechanical and electronic design and development activities. AYESAŞ is the single source supplier for the circuit card assemblies as well as the chassis of the MRIU since 2007.



Again, you're not bright enough to understand the concept of assembly. These companies do the final assembly of components produced elsewhere.

You're not even bright enough to go to the company's website and see what their advertised capabilities are.

That is, all F-35's contain circuit card assemblies produced in Turkey!


All F-35s contain components produced or assembled in over 50 countries. :roll:
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Unread post19 Dec 2017, 01:53

airforces_freak wrote:
Can you tell me why the YPG needed MANPADS in the fight against ISIS? What combat aircraft does ISIS have?


...turkish F16s?


Couldnt resist. Sry.
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Unread post07 Dec 2018, 04:32

https://www.janes.com/article/85013/usm ... i-aircraft

Looks like the marines are keen to squeeze every ounce of utility out of the harrier. RFP for HMCS (without the J) to be installed by 2023 for canning in 2026?
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