SU-57: On hold for a decade

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Dec 2017, 05:18

project458 wrote:
XanderCrews wrote: Inform us

About what exactly? How this entire thread is based on a opinion of some analyst who has zero inside knowledge ? I remember how people on this forum said Su-57 is fiction and it will never fly, then when it flew they said it would be canceled, now 7 years and 9th prototypes later and with 10th and 11th a few months away, Su-57 is still here, and sometime in 2018 Su-57 will enter LRIP, and if people think there is a shortage of money, consider the fact that within the last decade alone Ruaf inducted 500+ Fixed wing platforms, thats second only to US, a broke country's doesn't have that kind of money to spend.

Yet, the future hardly looks promising for either the Su-57 or Russian Air Force...... :doh:

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Dec 2017, 05:21

hythelday wrote:

There were articles ~5 years ago by Russian "experts" saying demand for export PAK-FAs is roughly 600 globally. There are less advanced Flankers than that, lol.

If, India leaves the PAK-FA/FGFA Program with Russia and the odds are looking good that it will. Then the prospects for future export orders for the type look grim indeed! :shock:

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Dec 2017, 05:24

milosh wrote:
swiss wrote:It seems the Su-57 has her first test flight with one Izdeliye 30. Or at least with a new nozzle.

New engine and new nozzle, nozzle looks more as LOAL nozzle then Salyut one we saw earlier, and nozzle is quite shorter.

Maybe the production version of the izdeliye 30 won't have TVC? Which, would explain why it's shorter....

charlielima223 · by **charlielima223** » 06 Dec 2017, 05:36

I remember when the PAKFA came out, it was on everyone's radar (no pun intended). It every interwebs commentator and "analyst" propped it up as the next deadliest thing to the F-22. Now as time has passed, (to me) it looks like a tiger with no fangs or claws... especially when you compare how much more advanced the F-22 and F-35 are now and how much more they will be in the foreseeable future.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Dec 2017, 05:43

durahawk wrote:
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next 25 odd years we see a J-20 or J-31 with Russian Air Force or Navy liveries. They simply don't have the capital to develop a worthwhile fifth gen on there own before it becomes entirely irrelevant. There would be a lot of Russia Stronk pride to overcome, but Russia has looked to the export market before to fill urgent operational needs (see French Mistral class fiasco). At the very least, I would expect to see a Sino-Russian fighter collaboration in the future.

Of course, a spike in oil prices in the next few years could turn this whole thing around for the Russkies too.

That is what I've been saying for sometime now. That Russia will be forced to partner with China. Especially, in such segments as fighters. With the J-31 being the most obvious choice.........

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Dec 2017, 05:45

charlielima223 wrote:I remember when the PAKFA came out, it was on everyone's radar (no pun intended). It every interwebs commentator and "analyst" propped it up as the next deadliest thing to the F-22. Now as time has passed, (to me) it looks like a tiger with no fangs or claws... especially when you compare how much more advanced the F-22 and F-35 are now and how much more they will be in the foreseeable future.

I agree as time goes by fewer and fewer seem concern about the Su-57???

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 06 Dec 2017, 05:47

XanderCrews wrote:
According to the Komrades at key pubs they don't need India or their money

milosh · by **milosh** » 06 Dec 2017, 13:48

Corsair1963 wrote:Maybe the production version of the izdeliye 30 won't have TVC? Which, would explain why it's shorter....

Very unlikely.

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 06 Dec 2017, 14:39

Corsair1963 wrote:
charlielima223 wrote:I remember when the PAKFA came out, it was on everyone's radar (no pun intended). It every interwebs commentator and "analyst" propped it up as the next deadliest thing to the F-22. Now as time has passed, (to me) it looks like a tiger with no fangs or claws... especially when you compare how much more advanced the F-22 and F-35 are now and how much more they will be in the foreseeable future.

I agree as time goes by fewer and fewer seem concern about the Su-57???

Engine is still years away. When you build only 9 prototypes and still lose one to a fire. India which is the biggest partner says things about it that make F-35 critics blush

hythelday · by **hythelday** » 06 Dec 2017, 15:43

XanderCrews wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:
charlielima223 wrote:I remember when the PAKFA came out, it was on everyone's radar (no pun intended). It every interwebs commentator and "analyst" propped it up as the next deadliest thing to the F-22. Now as time has passed, (to me) it looks like a tiger with no fangs or claws... especially when you compare how much more advanced the F-22 and F-35 are now and how much more they will be in the foreseeable future.

I agree as time goes by fewer and fewer seem concern about the Su-57???

Engine is still years away. When you build only 9 prototypes and still lose one to a fire. India which is the biggest partner says things about it that make F-35 critics blush

They did repair the burnt plane though.

Putting one Izd 30 to test it out is... interesting decision. Then again Russians do things differently.

Maybe it's not all doomy and gloomy for Su-57 after all, but it still seems to be following Flanker development pattern.

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 06 Dec 2017, 16:52

hythelday wrote:
They did repair the burnt plane though.

Putting one Izd 30 to test it out is... interesting decision. Then again Russians do things differently.

Maybe it's not all doomy and gloomy for Su-57 after all, but it still seems to be following Flanker development pattern.

It was more a reference about why people don't seem worried. If we go but what our "informed" new guy says and only count development from the first flight on we have 9 prototypes the last 8 years.

Where was the F-22, F-35, and super hornet 8 years after first flight? And they all had new engines as well.

First flights month and year:

SH November 1995
F-22 September 1997
F-35 December 2006

And we all know how ambitious the F-35 is.

nutshell · by **nutshell** » 07 Dec 2017, 01:37

9 protoypes in 7 years...

AMAZING I SWEAR.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 07 Dec 2017, 05:15

The Su-57 is just not a viable option for the Indian Air Force! :doh:

So, better to cut ties with the PAK-FA Program and move oooon! :wink:

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 07 Dec 2017, 21:56

nutshell wrote:9 protoypes in 7 years...

AMAZING I SWEAR.

It's more like 9 in 10 years too :doh:

It keeps me up at night too. Imagine where this program will be in 10 more years or 15? Maybe 50 of these things in vastly different lots and configs

project458 · by **project458** » 08 Dec 2017, 01:25

XanderCrews wrote:
project458 wrote:
XanderCrews wrote: Inform us

I remember how people on this forum said Su-57 is fiction and it will never fly, then when it flew they said it would be canceled.

Really? Who said that?

I know I didn't. You are new but not everyone here is an individual. Some were saying that?

Some were saying it would take years and years before they churned out even 10 prototypes as well...

now 7 years and 9th prototypes later and with 10th and 11th a few months away,

if going just by the first flight its been nearly 8 years, seeing as the first prototype flew in January of 2010... And of course the PAK-FA program itself goes back further than just 2010.
I guess I was wrong when I asked you to inform us seeing as you don't know what youre talking about. In your defense you were probably too young to remember 2009? or maybe you just got caught lying? or maybe just completely ignorant?

Yes that would be 2002 thats when the PAK FA program began.

Corsair1963 wrote:

Yet, the future hardly looks promising for either the Su-57 or Russian Air Force......

Care to elaborate ? [/quote]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next 25 odd years we see a J-20 or J-31 with Russian Air Force or Navy liveries

Ridiculous, Su-57 hits IOC next year, but please keep thinking about fantasy scenarios.