SU-57: On hold for a decade

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Unread post28 Nov 2017, 15:15

Sounds like they finally acknowledged reality: Just prototypes until at least 2027. I can only imagine what this means for India. I'd think given this news, they're 100% out and now really hurting as China's J-31
/J-20 start to enter service...

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Unread post28 Nov 2017, 18:27

There is a thread for this sort of thing.
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Unread post28 Nov 2017, 20:18

Isn't Izd. 30 starting flight testing sometime next year? Surely those engines will be ready before 2027 rolls around?
WiB talking out of their a-holes, as usual?
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Unread post28 Nov 2017, 23:02

If WiB is accurate, the SU 57 will enter service around the same time PCA is getting off the ground. Wonder if they are just waiting on I30 engines to mature or are looking to make design changes to the airframe and/or avionics?

Otherwise it will be hopelessly outclassed by the raptor, f35 and PCA but probably still be competitive with the J20.
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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 00:01

juretrn wrote:Isn't Izd. 30 starting flight testing sometime next year? Surely those engines will be ready before 2027 rolls around?
WiB talking out of their a-holes, as usual?

They have a decent source.
http://www.ponarseurasia.org/memo/russi ... -2018-2027
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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 00:14

No worries. Russia will simply reclassify it as 6Gen.
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 02:42

Russia is just waiting for India to fund the project.
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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 17:02

popcorn wrote:No worries. Russia will simply reclassify it as 6Gen.


Give that man a cigar!

Sounds like that's exactly what they have planned :)

https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/russia- ... ghter-jet/

"Russia’s first indigenously designed and built fifth-generation stealth fighter, the Su-57, could be turned into a sixth-generation fighter aircraft, the former head of the Russian Aerospace Force, Viktor Bondarev told TASS news agency on November.

“This is actually a splendid plane and it can embrace both fifth-and sixth-generation features. It has huge modernization potential,” Bondarev, now chairman of the Federation Council Defense and Security Committee, said. “Importantly, it is the best among the existing versions by its stealth characteristics. It incorporates all the best that is available in modern aviation science both in Russia and in the world,” he added."

I still remember when Putin claimed it be operational in 2013 :mrgreen:
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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 17:26

popcorn wrote:No worries. Russia will simply reclassify it as 6Gen.



Lol right on
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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 17:28

Remember folks, Pakfa was going to be Ivan showing the West how fifth gen is done

Lol.

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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 18:02

XanderCrews wrote:
popcorn wrote:No worries. Russia will simply reclassify it as 6Gen.


Lol right on


6th gen huh? I guess the SU-57 will join the ranks of the Gripen of Sweetman lore. :mrgreen:

In all seriousness though, the prospects don't look great for Mother Russia developing a competent 5th gen fighter on a GDP less than that of Italy... at least anytime soon as oil prices remain low. Especially without India acting as the sugar daddy.
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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 18:23

durahawk wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:
popcorn wrote:No worries. Russia will simply reclassify it as 6Gen.


Lol right on


6th gen huh? I guess the SU-57 will join the ranks of the Gripen of Sweetman lore. :mrgreen:

In all seriousness though, the prospects don't look great for Mother Russia developing a competent 5th gen fighter on a GDP less than that of Italy... at least anytime soon as oil prices remain low. Especially without India acting as the sugar daddy.


Wow! That point about Italy really puts things in perspective!! It seems ruble reality is now hitting the Russians...

1) No SU-57 for at least a decade
2.) The S-500 isn't coming anytime soon
3.) Building TU-160M2's vs PAK DA's
4.) No more super-carrier

Triaging this would be interesting. So they fly the PAK FA prototype in 2010. APA Kopp/Goon go ballistic and proclaim America's stealth monopoly has ended. F-35 is panned as "double inferior" to Russian/Chinese Flankers, nevermind this new Russian wonder bird. 7 years on we're told it'll be another decade before PAK FA/SU-57 enters service.

Shazam.

Meanwhile F-35's roll off the production lines in increasing numbers and are getting cheaper and cheaper. In 10 years they'll be what, 1,000's of F-35's proliferating around the globe? We have reached a defining moment in the new arms race: The Chinese are a far greater threat to our military superiority vs. the Russians.

No wonder the F-22 driver I spoke with at a recent airshow was far more concerned with them/the J-20 than the SU-57...
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Unread post29 Nov 2017, 23:20

http://www.vladtime.ru/polit/621382

Su-57 is probable on ice while PAK-DA is on deicing, Tu-160M2 price is reason for PAK-DA. Price of modernisation of Tu-160 on M2 level is 50million dollars that is without making totally new airframe.
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Unread post30 Nov 2017, 01:27

RuAF giving up.

F35 so good it doesnt even need to fire a single missile to achieve air superiority :mrgreen:

Air dominance through superior... development roadmap.

P.s.: so, su57 ioc just in time to watch the bees shooting lasers. Lol.
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