F-18E Downes Syrian Warplane

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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 22:20

SpudmanWP wrote:Well... The F-35Bs in Japan are headed out on the Wasp soon... :roll:

Such a senseless provocation by the American imperialist pigs should not good un-matched!
Send the Admiral Kuznetsov back to the med!
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 22:26

durahawk wrote:Send the Admiral Kuznetsov back to the med!

Russians reverted to using smoke signals?
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 22:31

MD wrote:Fred Thompson's famous line from The Hunt for Red October comes to mind...

The one about Ruskies and plans?
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 23:53

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:
MD wrote:Fred Thompson's famous line from The Hunt for Red October comes to mind...

The one about Ruskies and plans?


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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 00:35

MD wrote:But this shootdown does raise the question of what is the US endgame in Syria? By shooting down a Syrian government aircraft or attacking their positions (unless they are attacking us), are we not doing ISISs job for them, as an ad hoc ISIS air force....essentially part-time ISIS allies? While Iran makes missile attacks on ISIS targets in Syria?

ISIS is only one of the parties in the Syrian cluster-f... and in that regard ISIS is also fighting the parties that are fighting the Syrian government. Combine that with ISIS supplying oil to the Syrian regime* and you might understand why the US has little issue with shooting down a Syrian government aircraft, especially if they are bombing US backed troops.

* https://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-st ... 1484835563
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"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 03:49

botsing wrote:ISIS is only one of the parties in the Syrian cluster-f... and in that regard ISIS is also fighting the parties that are fighting the Syrian government. Combine that with ISIS supplying oil to the Syrian regime* and you might understand why the US has little issue with shooting down a Syrian government aircraft, especially if they are bombing US backed troops.

* https://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-st ... 1484835563


Clusterf.... is definitely what this pile of quiksand over there is indeed.
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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 06:31

So a 4.5 generation fighter shoots down a highly maneuverable, stealthy, 37 year old Fitter. Must have been an epic fight.

I suppose the pilot already has orders to TOP GUN. Time to buy a super bike and brush up on volleyball skills.
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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 07:16

Well, kill is a kill!
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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 08:30

huggy wrote:So a 4.5 generation fighter shoots down a highly maneuverable, stealthy, 37 year old Fitter. Must have been an epic fight.

I suppose the pilot already has orders to TOP GUN. Time to buy a super bike and brush up on volleyball skills.


Well what do you want us to do sell everyone more advance aircraft so there is more sport to it? Not our fault everyone else isn't lining up to buy the new super amazing Russian and Chinese jets.
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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 14:53

durahawk wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:Well... The F-35Bs in Japan are headed out on the Wasp soon... :roll:

Such a senseless provocation by the American imperialist pigs should not good un-matched!
Send the Admiral Kuznetsov back to the med!
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Look at it this way: They can't do any worse than their last Syrian cruise, can they?

Lightly loaded Flankers and Mig-29's (and a small number at that) vs. 3 squadrons of Super Hornets and all their supporting aircraft. Don't forget the F-15C's and especially F-22's in the area. Seems to me to be an ideal environment for the F-35: SAM rich, plus enemy fighters to avoid/slip by.

Of course, they probably won't risk it. But wouldn't it be nice to see an F-15 finally wax a Flanker, as in an SU-30SM or SU-35 at that? We know the F-22 is certainly capable of it. I do NOT see the Russians backing down, only escalating as time goes by. I suppose they're really going to find out if their Super Duper Flanker is all they claim..
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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 15:26

mixelflick wrote: I do NOT see the Russians backing down, only escalating as time goes by.


That wasn't even a Russian plane that got shot down. When Turkey shot down a RUSSIAN Su-24 people thought Armageddon was upon us. And now Russia is trying to sell Turkey S-400s.
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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 15:42

More air to air practice for US military. Seems like the syria conflict is evolving from a CAS/ISR operation to a full spectrum air warfare with air to air engagements, enemy double digit SAMs, interdiction strikes, CAS and CSAR standby. A real world Red Flag. Good to see air to air kill chains being executed in real ops.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/20 ... syria.html
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Unread post20 Jun 2017, 17:04

sferrin wrote:
mixelflick wrote: I do NOT see the Russians backing down, only escalating as time goes by.


That wasn't even a Russian plane that got shot down. When Turkey shot down a RUSSIAN Su-24 people thought Armageddon was upon us. And now Russia is trying to sell Turkey S-400s.


There was a lot of mud slinging after the cruise missile strike on the Syrian airfield as well. They bluster because that's all they really have.

They know an actual air war over Syria would end quickly, and not in their favor.
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