F-18E Downes Syrian Warplane

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Unread post18 Jun 2017, 23:16

U.S. warplane downs Syrian army jet in southern Raqqa province

AMMAN/WASHINGTON, June 18 (Reuters) - A U.S. warplane shot down a Syrian army jet on Sunday in the southern Raqqa countryside with Washington saying the jet had dropped bombs near U.S. backed forces and Damascus saying the plane was downed while flying a mission against Islamic State militants.

A Syrian army statement released on Syrian state television said the plane crashed and the pilot was missing. It said the incident took place on Sunday afternoon near a village called Rasafah...

Later the U.S. Central Command issued a statement saying the Syrian plane was downed "in collective self-defense of Coalition-partnered forces," identified as fighters of the Syrian
Democratic Forces (SDF) near Tabqah.

It said that "pro-Syrian regime forces" had earlier attacked an SDF held town south of Tabqa and wounded a number of fighters and driving them from the town.

Coalition aircraft in a show of force stopped the initial advance. When a Syrian army SU-22 jet later dropped bombs near the U.S. backed forces, it was immediately shot by a U.S. F/A-18E Super Hornet, the statement said.

Before it downed the plane, the coalition had "contacted the its Russian counterparts by telephone via an established "de-confliction line" to de-escalate the situation and stop the firing."

The coalition does "not seek to fight the Syrian regime, Russian or pro-regime forces" but would not "hesitate to defend itself or its "partnered forces from any threat," the statement said.

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Unread post18 Jun 2017, 23:44

So... what if it had been a Russkie jet?
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 02:10

It was a Russian jet - SU22- FLOWN by a Syrian AF pilot 8)
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 02:26

popcorn wrote:So... what if it had been a Russkie jet?


Well, when Turkey did it they got offered S-400s for sale so it might be worth it. :wink:
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 04:03

Is this the first air to air kill for the Superbug?
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 07:17

durahawk wrote:Is this the first air to air kill for the Superbug?

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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 13:19

Would love to know if it was an AMRAAM, 9x etc? Also would love to know if this bird was configured for air to ground or was flying a CAP/otherwise configured for air to air..
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 15:13

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/19 ... hreat.html

US shoot-down of Syrian jet prompts Russian threat

Published June 19, 2017
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Russian officials on Monday threatened that their country would treat U.S.-led coalition planes in some parts of Syria as targets after the U.S. military shot down a Syrian Air Force jet on Sunday. Russia's defense ministry said planes flying in Syria, west of the Euphrates River, would be considered targets. The news came one day after the first time in history a U.S. jet shot down a Syrian plane – and the first time in nearly 20 years the U.S. has shot down any warplane in air-to-air combat.

The last time a U.S. jet had shot down another country’s aircraft came over Kosovo in 1999 when a U.S. Air Force F-15 Eagle shot down a Serbian MiG-29. On Sunday, it was a U.S. F-18 Super Hornet that shot down a Syrian SU-22 after that jet dropped bombs near U.S. partner forces taking on ISIS.

Russia's defense ministry also said Monday it was suspending coordination with the U.S. in Syria over so-called "de-confliction zones" after the downing of the Syrian jet.

The United States and Russia, which has been providing air cover for Syria's President Bashar Assad since 2015 in his offensive against ISIS, have a standing agreement that should prevent in-the-air incidents involving U.S. and Russian jets engaged in operations over Syria. The Russian defense ministry said it viewed the incident as Washington's “deliberate failure to make good on its commitments” under the de-confliction deal.'

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov, in comments to Russian news agencies, compared the downing to “helping the terrorists that the U.S. is fighting against.” “What is this, if not an act of aggression,” he asked. Meanwhile, the U.S.-backed opposition fighters said Assad's forces have been attacking their positions in the northern province of Raqqa and warned that if such attacks continue, the fighters will take action.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 17:37

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 97101.html

Russia to treat US jets in Syria as 'targets' after America guns down first regime warplane

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Communication channel between Washington and Moscow to be suspended immediately
A Syrian jet was shot down by US forces on Sunday. Russia has said it will treat US warplanes operating in parts of Syria where its air forces are also present as "targets" amid a diplomatic row caused by the downing of a Syrian jet. The country's defense ministry said it would track US-led coalition aircraft with missile systems and military aircraft, but stopped short of saying it would shoot them down.

A hotline set up between Russia and the US to prevent mid-air collisions will also be suspended. "All kinds of airborne vehicles, including aircraft and UAVs of the international coalition detected to the west of the Euphrates River will be tracked by the Russian SAM systems as air targets," the Russian Defence Ministry said in a statement. The warning followed after a US F-18 Super Hornet shot down a Syrian army SU-22 jet on Sunday in the countryside southwest of Raqqa - the first such downing of a Syrian jet by the US since the start of the country's civil war in 2011. Washington said the jet had dropped bombs near US-backed forces but Damascus said the plane was downed while flying a mission against Isis militants.

Russia's Defense Ministry said the suspension of its communication line with the Americans would begin immediately. The US did not use its hotline with Russia ahead of the downing of the Syrian government warplane, said the ministry, which accused the US of a "deliberate failure to make good on its commitments" under the de-confliction deal. "The shooting down of a Syrian Air Force jet in Syria’s airspace is a cynical violation of Syria’s sovereignty," the ministry said. "The US’ repeated combat operations under the guise of ‘combating terrorism’ against the legitimate armed forces of a UN member-country are a flagrant violation of international law and an actual military aggression against the Syrian Arab Republic." Theresa May appealed to Russia to continue the use of "deconfliction" measures over the skies of Syria to reduce the risk of misunderstandings in what is a crowded airspace.

Russia, which has been providing air cover for Syria's President, Bashar al-Assad, since 2015, has an agreement with the US aimed at preventing incidents involving either country's warplanes engaged in operations in Syria. Downing the jet was akin to "helping the terrorists that the US is fighting against”, Sergei Ryabkov, Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister, said. A statement released by US Central Command on Sunday said the Syrian jet was "immediately shot down... in accordance with rules of engagement and in collective self-defense of Coalition partnered forces". “The Coalition's mission is to defeat Isis in Iraq and Syria. The Coalition does not seek to fight Syrian regime, Russian, or pro-regime forces partnered with them, but will not hesitate to defend Coalition or partner forces from any threat," it added. “The Coalition presence in Syria addresses the imminent threat Isis in Syria poses globally. The demonstrated hostile intent and actions of pro-regime forces toward Coalition and partner forces in Syria conducting legitimate counter-ISIS operations will not be tolerated.”
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 18:14

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In March 2017, various media outlets reported that conventional forces from the 11th MEU (Marines) and the 75th Ranger Regiment (Army) deployed to Syria to support US-backed forces in liberating Raqqa from ISIS occupation.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 18:39

Hmm that sounds like Russia is trying to enforce a no fly zone, guess we will see if they have the sand to actually enforce it.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 18:46

Interesting over reaction from someone who instigated the bluff we called by shooting down their Syrian lackey provocateur.

Euphraties boundary is way too far east/constricting for the US to limit itself to or comply with Russia's dictate.

Interesting that they're highlighting the SAMs and do not mention their fighters in Syria. Sounds to me they are building themselves a way out. And it's doubtful their coastal missile batteries can cover or engage everything west of the Euphraties unless they move their SAMs further east.

In any case, they can't target what they can't see or engage. And besides, that attitude goes both ways, we can also treat any fire control lock on originating from a Russian emitter as an imminent threat as well. Two can play this game.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 18:56

Well... The F-35Bs in Japan are headed out on the Wasp soon... :roll:
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 19:29

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/19 ... hreat.html


US responds to Russian threat after shoot-down of Syrian jet


Published June 19, 2017


Capt. Jeff Davis speaks to reporters. U.S. pilots operating over Syria won't hesitate to defend themselves from Russian threats, a Pentagon spokesperson said Monday in the latest escalation between the two superpowers since a U.S. jet shot down a Syrian aircraft on Sunday. "We do not seek conflict with any party in Syria other than ISIS, but we will not hesitate to defend ourselves or our partners if threatened," Capt. Jeff Davis told Fox News.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford doubled down on that rhetoric during a Monday speech at the National Press Club. "I'm confident that we are still communicating between our operations center and the Russia federation operations center -- and I'm also confident that our forces have the capability to take care of themselves," Dunford said.

Department of Defense spokesperson Maj. Adrian J.T. Rankine-Galloway said coalition aircraft would continue conducting "operations throughout Syria, targeting ISIS forces and providing air support for Coalition partner forces on the ground." "As a result of recent encounters involving pro-Syrian Regime and Russian forces, we have taken prudent measures to re-position aircraft over Syria so as to continue targeting ISIS forces while ensuring the safety of our aircrew given known threats in the battlespace," Rankine-Galloway said in a statement. Earlier Monday, Russian officials threatened to treat U.S.-led coalition planes flying in Syria, west of the Euphrates River, would be considered targets. The news came one day after the first time in history a U.S. jet shot down a Syrian plane – and the first time in nearly 20 years the U.S. has shot down any warplane in air-to-air combat. The last time a U.S. jet had shot down another country’s aircraft came over Kosovo in 1999 when a U.S. Air Force F-15 Eagle shot down a Serbian MiG-29. On Sunday, it was a U.S. F-18 Super Hornet that shot down a Syrian SU-22 after that jet dropped bombs near U.S. partner forces taking on ISIS.

Russia's defense ministry also said Monday it was suspending coordination with the U.S. in Syria over so-called "de-confliction zones" after the downing of the Syrian jet. The United States and Russia, which has been providing air cover for Syria's President Bashar Assad since 2015 in his offensive against ISIS, have a standing agreement that should prevent in-the-air incidents involving U.S. and Russian jets engaged in operations over Syria. The Russian defense ministry said it viewed the incident as Washington's “deliberate failure to make good on its commitments” under the de-confliction deal.' Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov, in comments to Russian news agencies, compared the downing to “helping the terrorists that the U.S. is fighting against.” “What is this, if not an act of aggression,” he asked.

Meanwhile, the U.S.-backed opposition fighters said Assad's forces have been attacking their positions in the northern province of Raqqa and warned that if such attacks continue, the fighters will take action. "Would just tell you that we'll work diplomatically and militarily in the coming hours to establish deconfliction," Dunford said.
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Unread post19 Jun 2017, 21:23

PhillyGuy wrote:
In any case, they can't target what they can't see or engage. And besides, that attitude goes both ways, we can also treat any fire control lock on originating from a Russian emitter as an imminent threat as well. Two can play this game.



“Any aircraft, including planes and drones of the international coalition, detected in the operation areas west of the Euphrates River by the Russian air forces will be followed by Russian ground-based air defense and air defense aircraft as air targets,” according to a Russian Defense Ministry statement.

I'm sure the statement is deliberately vague for a reason. Notice it doesn't say "....will be shot down", only "...will be followed". I'm thinking that they have no desire to escalate anymore than the US has any desire to.

But this shootdown does raise the question of what is the US endgame in Syria? By shooting down a Syrian government aircraft or attacking their positions (unless they are attacking us), are we not doing ISISs job for them, as an ad hoc ISIS air force....essentially part-time ISIS allies? While Iran makes missile attacks on ISIS targets in Syria?

Fred Thompson's famous line from The Hunt for Red October comes to mind...
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