TFX Thread

[popcorn]

The official added: “For us, the whole point is that we want to own it. We are trying to become an independent defence producer. We don’t want restrictions imposed by outsiders.”

Develop it yourself then. Seriously what's with India, Turkey, South Korea etc wanting help on a single project and then wanting the propietary IP that went into that help. Why should an external supplier help create a future competitor over just one deal. This infantile thinking is pure comedy.

Probably Russia's biggest competitive advantage.

[vilters]

So, a few decades after its first flight, they are gonna build a plastic F-22 photocopy.

The Brists will knot "yes, yes, yes, yes", to any proposal, as long as they can provide the engines. LOL.

And then turn to Germany and France to build the: "Real European 6th gen".

It's called : Getting a free learning curve. Before doing the real work.

[jetblast16]

Best shot I've seen yet of the mock up.. Strong resemblance to the American Raptor

[Corsair1963]

Head of Turkey’s defence industry says Russia may help finish new jet fighter

Turkey is actively working together with Russia across the defence sphere, including on the development of an engine for Ankara’s next generation fighter jet, said the head of the Turkish defence industry on Sunday.

In an interview with Miliyet, Ismail Demir, the head of the Presidency of Defence Industries (SSB), said that Turkey could work together with Russia in the latter phase of development of its TF-X fighter jet. Demir described the possible Russian role as contributing to the localisation of certain systems for the TF-X.

“There are many provisions on cooperation in our talks with Russia. They include issues linked with the development of [Turkey's] national warplanes,” said Demir. “During this process, talks may be held with the Russian side about concrete localization systems. Today, we are not discussing such a wide range of details.”

Demir's consideration of working with Russia to bring the TF-X into service comes after years of speculation that Turkey could seek Russian fifth-generation fighters to replace its aging fleet of U.S-made F-16s. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan swatted down these rumours, saying in February 2020 that Turkey would be pursuing the TF-X as its replacement fighter.

Russian officials have insisted that Moscow remains ready to help with the completion of this project. On Nov. 14, Dmitry Shugayev, head of the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC), said that Russia has "repeatedly expressed" readiness to assist Turkey in the development of a new fighter jet, but described talks to this end as still in the negotiation phase.

Alexander Mikheyev, the director general of the Russian state arms export agency Rosboronexport, added that cooperation was already ongoing with Turkey and that new ways of deepening their joint work are under discussion.

"Rosoboronexport is developing cooperation with Turkey in the field of military-technical cooperation," said Mikheyev last month. "We are ready to implement a wide range of relations both in the interests of the country's air defense and other branches of the armed forces."

Turkey’s defence ties with Russia have created difficulties for its air force’s ability to acquire a new fighter jet to replace its fourth generation F-16 fleet. Previously, Turkey was due to phase out the F-16 in favour of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that it was developing together with the United States and other NATO allies.

However, the purchase of the S-400 missile defense system in July 2019 led to Washington expelling Ankara from the program and denying it access to the 100 F-35s it was due to receive. In December 2020, the outgoing Trump administration sanctioned Turkey, eliciting scorn from Turkish and Russian officials.

Work on an indigenous fifth-generation fighter, known as the TF-X, has been beset by numerous delays. Technical complications, including a struggle to obtain an engine necessary to power the jet, has delayed its entry into service repeatedly.

https://ahvalnews.com/russia/head-turke ... aNycGzNBeU

[milosh]

I doubt that but if US don't want to sell even F16 everything is possible. Turkey could get MiG35 engine and maybe aesa radar tech because it isn't that important to Russia if they go with baby PAKFA.

[Corsair1963]

I doubt that but if US don't want to sell even F16 everything is possible. Turkey could get MiG35 engine and maybe aesa radar tech because it isn't that important to Russia if they go with baby PAKFA.

I posted the article. Yet, that doesn't mean I take the story seriously..........

[krieger22]

The more they yap about the engines the less confidence I have in the idea that TAI milling the first part meant anything.

How can you possibly do that while something this significant is still in development hell?!

[madrat]

Turkey would be lucky to afford building a trainer, let alone an indigenous stealth fighter. Forget RD-33 when they still have access to Rolls-Royce. The Brits will sell anything, including the rope that would be used to hang them, and don't seem particularly careful these days with technology secrets. The reality is the Turks, under Erdogan, have money issues and probably will update the Hurjet, to look something like Su-75, then call it a day.

Like the Su-75, what missile do you use? They don't exactly have a modern missile ready to go to fight other stealth fighters.

[basher54321]

[Corsair1963]

All of the models of the TFX that I've seen. Appear rather small to take two F110's.....

[milosh]

All of the models of the TFX that I've seen. Appear rather small to take two F110's.....

Probable because they don't have S-duct intakes at all, from what I saw (latest tech drawing on internal) it is more like Su-57, two main weapon bays and straight intakes.

[madrat]

The mockup suggests more of a J-31 feel to me.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLxYRSlWUAE ... =4096x4096

[Corsair1963]

The mockup suggests more of a J-31 feel to me.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLxYRSlWUAE ... =4096x4096

Very close to the KFX (KF-21) or AMCA. Which, would use the GE F414 not the much later GE F110.

[milosh]

The mockup suggests more of a J-31 feel to me.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLxYRSlWUAE ... =4096x4096

Very close to the KFX (KF-21) or AMCA. Which, would use the GE F414 not the much later GE F110.

Looks doesn't have nothing with size. If TFX is bigger then those two it can have bigger engines too. And it is noticable bigger then KFX.

TFX:

General characteristics

Length: 21 m (68 ft 11 in)
Wingspan: 14 m (45 ft 11 in)
Height: 6 m (19 ft 8 in)
Wing area: 60 m2 (670 sq ft)

KFX:

General characteristics

Length: 16.9 m (55 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 11.2 m (36 ft 9 in)
Height: 4.7 m (15 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 46.5 m2 (501 sq ft)

[Corsair1963]

Ambitious Schedule Set for Turkey’s Stealth Fighter

he TF-X mockup leads a lineup of indigenous airframes at the Turkish Aerospace pavilion at the Farnborough Airshow.

A full-scale model of Turkey’s stealth fighter is on display, but it might not take long before the real thing comes to Farnborough. At a media briefing yesterday, Turkish Aerospace (TA) president and CEO Temel Kotil described the extraordinary timescale set for the development and production of the TF-X.

Rollout is “250 days away, and counting,” Kotil declared. The goal is for the TF-X to emerge on March 18 next year, a date that has been celebrated in Turkey since 1915, when the Ottomans repulsed the Allied attempt to capture the Dardanelles and Istanbul. The first flight will follow exactly two years later, with deliveries following by 2028, according to Kotil.

Turkish Aerospace has hired or trained 1,300 engineers to work on the TF-X. Kotil said that another 100 engineers from BAE Systems work in Turkey, helping in the training program as well as the design. The UK and Turkey signed a governmental agreement in January 2017 to collaborate on the development phase. The design has been aided by CAD/CAM software from Dassault Systemes and Siemens. The company has completed wind tunnel testing in the UK, U.S., and South Africa.

The two GE F110 turbofans that will power the prototype have been shipped to Turkey. But since the country is determined to make the TF-X 100 percent indigenous, engines for production aircraft are almost certain to come from Tusas Engine Industries (TEI), a joint venture with GE. Engineers have completed a preliminary design of a 29,000-pound thrust engine that will propel the TF-X to Mach 1.8 at 40,000 feet. Service ceiling is 55,000 feet.

Kotil declined to say how much all the development is costing but noted that the TF-X is a government-funded project. This is unlike the Hurjet, Turkish Aerospace’s advanced jet trainer and light attack aircraft, which is theoretically funded entirely by the company. Kotil said that design of the single-engine, tandem seat Hurjet, powered by a single GE F404 turbofan, began four years ago. First flight is next year, perhaps on the same day as the TF-X rolls out. The Turkish air force has ordered 12 to replace its T-38s.

The Hurjet is also represented at the airshow by a full-scale mockup. But Turkish Aerospace is also displaying real hardware outside its own pavilion, which is behind the BAE Systems hall. The Hurkus turboprop trainer and light attack aircraft sit next to the Aksungur, a twin-engine, medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) UAV. The smaller single-engine Anka UAV is also there, alongside a Gokbey multirole helicopter.

Kotil talked fondly of Turkish Aerospace’s training program, which has produced 4,000 engineers in the 10 years that he has been running the company. “They are hungry for success,” he said, adding that he endeavors to make Turkish Aerospace “one of the world’s top ten players."


https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... jcjhAzMogk