J-15 'Flying Shark' LIAONING Carrier Arrest Ski Jump Fly Ops

charlielima223 · by **charlielima223** » 12 Oct 2015, 14:41

They still got a LONG way to go before they can call themselves proficient in carrier operations.

Also just a question. Using a ski-jump for the J-15/Su-33 for it to take off instead of a catapult; doesn't that mean that when compared to a catapult assisted launched aircraft, ski-jump assisted launch for carrier aircraft take off with a smaller payload and possibly less fuel?

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 12 Oct 2015, 16:26

charlielima223 wrote:They still got a LONG way to go before they can call themselves proficient in carrier operations.

Also just a question. Using a ski-jump for the J-15/Su-33 for it to take off instead of a catapult; doesn't that mean that when compared to a catapult assisted launched aircraft, ski-jump assisted launch for carrier aircraft take off with a smaller payload and possibly less fuel?

Right on both counts. And while you can tank up after getting airborne, you can't re-arm... :mrgreen:

popcorn · by **popcorn** » 12 Oct 2015, 16:38

The jet got a rough reception from the Chinese public earning the "Flopping Fish" monicker.

lookieloo · by **lookieloo** » 13 Oct 2015, 05:41

popcorn wrote:The jet got a rough reception from the Chinese public earning the "Flopping Fish" monicker.

I still want to see them at work in Syria.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 17 Feb 2016, 20:24

sferrin · by **sferrin** » 17 Feb 2016, 23:56

They certainly have the cleanest ships. All their gear looks like it came right from the show room. Like a mall ninja.

charlielima223 · by **charlielima223** » 18 Feb 2016, 10:00

That has got to be the cleanest carrier deck I have ever seen on the interwebs.

flighthawk128 · by **flighthawk128** » 18 Feb 2016, 15:19

After watching videos and documentaries of American aircraft carriers where the decks look like a colourful anthill with a bajillion people scarpering all over the place, this looks... so empty and so wrong lol. And is it just me, or is this significantly smaller than what the Yanks currently use? The Chinese deck looks like it can't hold as many birds. The Sukhoi slowly going up the ski jump looks like it's going to fall out of the sky as soon as it hits the top of it too

Guess China needs to clone the catshot system next.

krorvik · by **krorvik** » 18 Feb 2016, 21:13

It's smaller, but not *significantly*.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 18 Feb 2016, 22:09

The LIAONING deck acreage is less than CVF by about 10-20%? LIAONING top - Kuznetsov - CVF. This is first graphic from:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rt.svg.png

Second graphic:
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/ ... er_624.gif

vanshilar · by **vanshilar** » 18 Feb 2016, 23:13

charlielima223 wrote:That has got to be the cleanest carrier deck I have ever seen on the interwebs.

Perhaps China's research into visual stealth technology is finally paying off.

tincansailor · by **tincansailor** » 19 Feb 2016, 09:34

Comparing Chinese to American carriers involves a lot of metrics. Others have pointed out the lack of cats means lower take off weight. The smaller deck could also restrict take back weight. Hanger Deck space, and Work Shop facilities have a big impact on the size of the air group carried, and what level of repairs can be carried out aboard ship. How efficiently can aircraft be fueled, armed, and brought on deck? What is the load limit of the ships elevators? How much ordnance does the ship carry? What level of armored protection does it have? How developed is their damage control proficiency?

Being both smaller, and conventionally powered restricts the size of the air group, ordnance load, aviation fuel, and the ships range. These were the major reasons the USN made the decision to go with an all nuclear carrier force. They calculated CVNs could carry 20% more aviation fuel, and ordnance then comparable sized CVs. The increased cost of nuclear power was offset by fuel savings over the life of the ships. Additionally you only need tanker support for the ships escorts.

The USN been operating large carriers since the 1920s, China's just starting. The USN pioneered underway replenishment in the 1930s, has China refueled their carrier while underway yet? Do they have naval AWACs aircraft? EW aircraft? Do they have tankers? Even buddy pack refueling? With low take off weight I doubt it. (Glad to hear that with the V-22 Osprey getting a tanker variant the USN will have a dedicated tanker again.) It seems China has a very long way to go to catch up with the USN in the size, capacity, efficiency, and numbers of their carrier force.

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 19 Feb 2016, 12:07

'tincansailor' said above: ...Additionally you only need tanker support for the ships escorts....
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...Do they have tankers? Even buddy pack refueling? With low take off weight I doubt it. (Glad to hear that with the V-22 Osprey getting a tanker variant the USN will have a dedicated tanker again.)...

Aviation fuel never runs out? Wattle they think of next - aviation fuel from seawater? No..... :mrgreen:

Didna ye not hear that UCLASS will be USN next buddy tanker? I guess Chinese have no cigar on that also. However they do have buddy AAR with ruskie gear. Chinese have said long and loud: LIAONING is a training carrier and everyone is learning....

LinkF16SimDude · by **LinkF16SimDude** » 19 Feb 2016, 12:43

The HUDs in those jets are reminiscent of the WAR HUDs in the Block 4X Vipers. :whistle: