Japan unveils first stealth fighter

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Unread post10 Jan 2020, 15:20

So, on Secret Projects forums they found a December 2019 JASDF paper which showed the latest F-3 design.

https://www.mod.go.jp/j/yosan/yosan_gai ... 191220.pdf

Looks quite like YF-23.
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Unread post10 Jan 2020, 15:53

Aside from a butterfly tail and looking gray it looks nothing like a YF-23. Looks more like LM's 6th-gen concept and Dassault's knockoff.

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Unread post10 Jan 2020, 16:06

Another aspect that it's similar to YF-23 is the intakes seem to be under the fuselage, instead of at the side like the Lockheed 6th generation fighter and Dassault NGF.

But the F-3 concept does seem to combine a lot of different features together.
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Unread post11 Jan 2020, 14:26

disconnectedradical wrote:Another aspect that it's similar to YF-23 is the intakes seem to be under the fuselage, instead of at the side like the Lockheed 6th generation fighter and Dassault NGF.

But the F-3 concept does seem to combine a lot of different features together.


It's quite interesting how some of the YF-23A's features have lived on in aircraft like the SU-57, some 6th gen US aerospace designs and these foreign sixth gen concepts. I personally feel we're going to see is bigger, badder version of the YF-23A when the PCA designs are finalized.

If you've watched any documentaries on the YF-23A's losing bid, you saw people working on the project that were absolutely crushed. They were apparently spending almost 1 million/day as the program drew toward the USAF decision date, and many of the engineers were spending every waking hour on making it the best it could be. Then, came the devastating phone call - you lose.

Hopefully, some of those engineers that worked on the YF-23A see this as some sort of vindication...
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Unread post12 Jan 2020, 06:34

mixelflick wrote:
If you've watched any documentaries on the YF-23A's losing bid, you saw people working on the project that were absolutely crushed. They were apparently spending almost 1 million/day as the program drew toward the USAF decision date, and many of the engineers were spending every waking hour on making it the best it could be. Then, came the devastating phone call - you lose.

Hopefully, some of those engineers that worked on the YF-23A see this as some sort of vindication...


Both teams had put their heart and soul into their product. If the YF-23 was selected over the YF-22, you would hear the Lockheed team say and feel the same way.

I dont take concept designs with much seriousness. Concept designs/art is usually attempting to make the most futuristic or eye catching design they can. I am sure they had some input from actual aeronautic engineers at some point but they are attempting to sell a product that isnt even built and is all in theory right now. Anyone remember this?
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Unread post12 Jan 2020, 16:35

charlielima223 wrote:
mixelflick wrote:
If you've watched any documentaries on the YF-23A's losing bid, you saw people working on the project that were absolutely crushed. They were apparently spending almost 1 million/day as the program drew toward the USAF decision date, and many of the engineers were spending every waking hour on making it the best it could be. Then, came the devastating phone call - you lose.

Hopefully, some of those engineers that worked on the YF-23A see this as some sort of vindication...


Both teams had put their heart and soul into their product. If the YF-23 was selected over the YF-22, you would hear the Lockheed team say and feel the same way.

I dont take concept designs with much seriousness. Concept designs/art is usually attempting to make the most futuristic or eye catching design they can. I am sure they had some input from actual aeronautic engineers at some point but they are attempting to sell a product that isnt even built and is all in theory right now. Anyone remember this?
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I sure do! Built 2 models that looked like this: One was Testor's "F-19", and another that looked a lot more like this concept art. Can't recall who made that one but they were fun to build, especially after seeing ads appear in Aviation Week at the time..

I didn't mean to imply the YF-22 team didn't put their heart and soul into it too. Fortunately for them, they won and then won again with what is today their real money-maker, the F-35. Precisely how long LM keeps winning fighter contracts is anyone's guess tho..

EDIT: Testors did in fact make the "F-19" stealth fighter, albeit there are important differences in appearance here vs. your pic. Monogram made a "stealth fighter" not long after that better resembles this pic.

Some interesting commentary on each here! https://hushkit.net/2018/05/25/the-f-19 ... eal-world/
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Unread post13 Jan 2020, 04:05

"disconnectedradical"

So, on Secret Projects forums they found a December 2019 JASDF paper which showed the latest F-3 design.




Just a concept............ :bang:
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Unread post14 Jan 2020, 04:03

Corsair1963 wrote:"disconnectedradical"

So, on Secret Projects forums they found a December 2019 JASDF paper which showed the latest F-3 design.




Just a concept............ :bang:


It can still show clues on where their design is going. For a long time they have been switching back and forth between V-tail and conventional tail from 23DMU to 25DMU, so it’s interesting to see where they go next.
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Unread post14 Jan 2020, 04:46

disconnectedradical wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:"disconnectedradical"

So, on Secret Projects forums they found a December 2019 JASDF paper which showed the latest F-3 design.




Just a concept............ :bang:


It can still show clues on where their design is going. For a long time they have been switching back and forth between V-tail and conventional tail from 23DMU to 25DMU, so it’s interesting to see where they go next.



Yes, but odds are Japan will join with a partner or partners to develop a future 6th Generation Program. Which, likely will include the US....
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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 14:46

mixelflick wrote:
disconnectedradical wrote:Another aspect that it's similar to YF-23 is the intakes seem to be under the fuselage, instead of at the side like the Lockheed 6th generation fighter and Dassault NGF.

But the F-3 concept does seem to combine a lot of different features together.


It's quite interesting how some of the YF-23A's features have lived on in aircraft like the SU-57, some 6th gen US aerospace designs and these foreign sixth gen concepts. I personally feel we're going to see is bigger, badder version of the YF-23A when the PCA designs are finalized.

If you've watched any documentaries on the YF-23A's losing bid, you saw people working on the project that were absolutely crushed. They were apparently spending almost 1 million/day as the program drew toward the USAF decision date, and many of the engineers were spending every waking hour on making it the best it could be. Then, came the devastating phone call - you lose.

Hopefully, some of those engineers that worked on the YF-23A see this as some sort of vindication...


Probably - in China's new JH-XX:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/flashpoin ... r-project/

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Unread post16 Jan 2020, 15:56

sferrin wrote:
Probably - in China's new JH-XX:


That is CGI superimposed on the real photo of a model:

https://www.airway1.com/wp-content/uplo ... 50x500.jpg
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