USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 01 Nov 2007, 05:40
by maddog2840
I see the Kadena Chicken thread is making rounds again. But that got me to thinking....

Any other USAF Urban Legends come to mind. Maybe some that aren't so Urban and not much of a Legend and more 'The Truth".

Aside from the Chicken:

1. The Liberty Bell is buried at the Air Force Academy.

2. Every Base has a golf course so that mass graves can be dug.

3. There are ghosts in the hangars of Kunsan.


Are there any more that you know of?
Press on and fight it out. :cheers:

RE: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 01 Nov 2007, 05:49
by bealio
The one about there being a match, gun, razor, bullet, etc. on top of the base flag pole, that's b.s.

Unread postPosted: 01 Nov 2007, 14:35
by vinnie
It takes an act of Congress to demote a CMSgt.

Re: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 01 Nov 2007, 17:29
by ATC
maddog2840 wrote:1. The Liberty Bell is buried at the Air Force Academy.


It is in Philadelphia, PA. Am I missing something here?

RE: Re: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 01 Nov 2007, 17:49
by Loader2088
How about that the USAF will never buy a STOVL aircraft because the pilots won't land anywhere without an O-club?

Oh, wait. That may not be an urban legend. :cheers:

Re: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 01 Nov 2007, 18:08
by ACMIguy
ATC wrote:
maddog2840 wrote:1. The Liberty Bell is buried at the Air Force Academy.


It is in Philadelphia, PA. Am I missing something here?
:shock: :lmao:

Sorry :roll: :whistle:

RE: Re: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 01 Nov 2007, 19:26
by ATFS_Crash
Hanger 18. Area 51

Re: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 01 Nov 2007, 22:46
by Delta
maddog2840 wrote:1. The Liberty Bell is buried at the Air Force Academy.


Haven't heard that one but I have heard that there's a missile silo underneath Spirit Hill on the Terrazzo. Gums, did they have that legend while you were here too?

Unread postPosted: 02 Nov 2007, 03:43
by afnsucks
Cadets are equally as important as the people in the real military that have to salute them because they are investments in our future that we absolutely can not do without :lol:

Unread postPosted: 02 Nov 2007, 07:09
by Racer497
Just like ROTC kids? :lol:

Unread postPosted: 03 Nov 2007, 04:17
by maddog2840
Along with the Liberty Bell, there is a USED Mercury Space Capsule. Underneath (hint) the USAF Academy.
Come on Zoomies! You know!!!!

Re: RE: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 03 Nov 2007, 04:18
by maddog2840
bealio wrote:The one about there being a match, gun, razor, bullet, etc. on top of the base flag pole, that's b.s.


That would be buried beneath each flag pole.

Unread postPosted: 03 Nov 2007, 05:01
by Racer181
At sheppard afb we followed telling the tale like everyone before us about the F-4 phantom on static.
To all the new airman coming to the 362nd the F-4 is a memorial to fallen pilots, you will salute when walking past it.

and the flag pole thing i've heard it both ways the goodies are in the top or the goodies are at the bottom.

Unread postPosted: 03 Nov 2007, 06:13
by Racer497
when i was back at sheppard, i don't remember that one, but then again i don't remember the f-4 on a stick. The only one i remember was the thud on the main drag. But that was a few years ago.

Re: RE: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 03 Nov 2007, 16:15
by bealio
maddog2840 wrote:
bealio wrote:The one about there being a match, gun, razor, bullet, etc. on top of the base flag pole, that's b.s.


That would be buried beneath each flag pole.


Legend has it the the gun in buried beneath the flag pole, but everything else is in the "truck" which is the ball on top of the flag pole. By the way, it's all b.s.

RE: Re: RE: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 03 Nov 2007, 18:08
by VarkVet
How about ... there is saltpeter in basic training food.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_221.html :lol:

RE: Re: RE: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 03 Nov 2007, 21:47
by VarkVet

Unread postPosted: 12 Nov 2007, 09:32
by maddog2840
Sneaky F-111 guys! :shock:
That's great! I have much more respect for the F-111 now.

Unread postPosted: 12 Nov 2007, 09:46
by maddog2840
Only two (yes two) USAFA graduates have air to air kills.

Read on True Believer.

Unread postPosted: 12 Nov 2007, 09:50
by maddog2840
Oh yeah...about that Liberty Bell at the Academy thing....read on.

Unread postPosted: 23 Nov 2007, 07:42
by VarkVet
maddog2840 wrote:Oh yeah...about that Liberty Bell at the Academy thing....read on.


Lets go real deep now.

These CHP guys named Officers George R. Carey and Kenneth L. Archer went down in a police chopper over Harper Dry Lakebed near Barstow after truckers reported (over CB radio) seeing a helicopter crash. Carey and Archer flew out there and crashed as well? One crash Site was found?

This CHP web site told me this story in 2002, but no longer mentions any details of the CHP chopper mishap ... just loss of manpower in the line of duty?

Odd I would say

http://www.chp.ca.gov/memorial/memorial80.html#1982

Unread postPosted: 07 Dec 2007, 06:52
by maddog2840
hmmmm? what crashed the first time???

Unread postPosted: 07 Dec 2007, 12:48
by Siesta
The golf courses maybe used for mass casualty burials. Base Support Plans have those in them. But they werent made for that particular purpose. the golf courses are made to play golf!

Unread postPosted: 07 Jan 2008, 21:38
by VarkVet
maddog2840 wrote:hmmmm? what crashed the first time???


The CHP site back at the time stated that a Military Copter went down ... since my last post I found this site

http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Air ... mdaleN.htm

Check out Helendale Auxiliary Army Airfield #2 / Helendale Airport, Helendale, CA

near the end ... very impressive things happen or happened out in the desert :lol:

Unread postPosted: 16 Jan 2008, 04:38
by maddog2840
Siesta wrote:The golf courses maybe used for mass casualty burials. Base Support Plans have those in them. But they weren't made for that particular purpose. the golf courses are made to play golf!


Of course gold courses are made to play golf on..... :roll: . The REASON to fund the construction of and to guarantee that there's a golf course on every AFB is....mass graves. BTW: Anybody have an AFB without a golf course??

Unread postPosted: 16 Jan 2008, 04:39
by maddog2840
There's a B-58 Hustler buried in the Nevada Desert.

Unread postPosted: 16 Jan 2008, 13:22
by Elliboom
There is supposed to be a P-51 buried on the now closed Lincoln AFB

Unread postPosted: 17 Jan 2008, 00:42
by maddog2840
Elliboom wrote:There is supposed to be a P-51 buried on the now closed Lincoln AFB


Is it the P-51 "shot down" by UFO back in the 50's? (Real Question) :wtf:

Unread postPosted: 17 Jan 2008, 01:11
by That_Engine_Guy
The USAF does that a lot with downed airframes...

SR-71 # 978/ #2029 * Lost on 20 July 1972 at Kadena AB, Okinawa. Attempting to land with a severe crosswind, USAF Pilot: Capt. Dennis Bush had to abort the landing after deploying the braking chute. He jettisoned the chute and went around and attempted to land again, without the chute. The second attempt was too fast and the SR went off the end of the runway, ripping off the main landing gear and causing considerable damage to the underside of the aircraft. The RSO: Capt. James Fagg and pilot survived safely. This aircraft was known as"Rapid Rabbit". They tried to destroy the aircraft by burning it, but were not successful, it was buried near the end of the runway in a small hill, now known as Habu Mtn. - Credit: www.blackbirds.net/sr71/srloc.html

I have heard rumor of other Blackbirds which were buried "on-site" when they had crashed or were damaged.

Unread postPosted: 17 Jan 2008, 01:48
by e6bill
When I got to Cannon in 1987, I heard there was a B-29 buried between two of the runways. Supposedly there was a pit (landfill/dump) that was used around the end of WWII.

Who knows? :shrug:

Unread postPosted: 26 Jan 2008, 05:06
by maddog2840
A C-130 was shot down after a crew chief stole it.

Read this thread.

Unread postPosted: 17 Feb 2008, 04:48
by SixerViper
When I was at Chanute AFB for tech school in 1969 I heard that the B-36 there was 20 ft shorter than other B-36s so they could get it inside a hangar on base there. This airplane was on static display beside the flight line and the troops would march by it twice a day. It looked like it was full-sized to me.

Unread postPosted: 02 Apr 2008, 00:33
by maddog2840
Upon separating from the Army, the first thing the Air Force did was turn it's stripes upside down.

Unread postPosted: 02 Apr 2008, 00:44
by That_Engine_Guy
maddog2840 wrote:Upon separating from the Army, the first thing the Air Force did was turn it's stripes upside down.


Bar bet on this one? :cheers:

I know the new USAF retained the Army rank/chevrons for the first year.

Here is Wiki's take:

Although the Air Force became an independent service with the National Security Act of 1947, it retained the Army Air Force rank structure and corresponding insignia of years past. This rank structure provided for seven enlisted ranks: Private, Private First Class, Corporal/Technician Fifth Grade, Sergeant/Technician Fourth Grade, Staff Sergeant/Technician Third Grade, Technical Sergeant and Master Sergeant/First Sergeant. Additionally, Air Force personnel were still referred to as soldiers.
Changes to the rank structure were proposed almost immediately but did not start occurring until the next year. Sometime during late 1947 and early 1948, new chevron designs were tested at Bolling Air Force Base. The style preferred was the one used today, the inverted chevron. Air Force Chief of Staff General Hoyt Vandenberg approved the new chevron on 9 March 1948.


Besides, they look more like wings and less like tents!

Keep 'em flyin' :thumb:
TEG

Unread postPosted: 02 Apr 2008, 04:11
by vegasdave901
I like the F-111 one. Next time I make a F-111 model I'm painting it like that but I won't be as subtle!

Unread postPosted: 29 Apr 2008, 11:02
by Unwin
I've heard all kinds of stories of ghosts on the Andersen AFB MSA from more than a few people. One of the guys that I currently work with found a dead body in the MSA. It was a lost civ. hunter. Also one of Ammo's storage buildings at Lakenheath is a old mourge that is not a myth.

Unread postPosted: 18 Jun 2008, 18:38
by Tim
SR-71 # 978/ #2029 * Lost on 20 July 1972 at Kadena AB, Okinawa. Attempting to land with a severe crosswind, USAF Pilot: Capt. Dennis Bush had to abort the landing after deploying the braking chute. He jettisoned the chute and went around and attempted to land again, without the chute. The second attempt was too fast and the SR went off the end of the runway, ripping off the main landing gear and causing considerable damage to the underside of the aircraft. The RSO: Capt. James Fagg and pilot survived safely. This aircraft was known as"Rapid Rabbit". They tried to destroy the aircraft by burning it, but were not successful, it was buried near the end of the runway in a small hill, now known as Habu Mtn.

WOW, I was stationed there from 81 - 83 and I did not know that. :shrug: I drug out some old pictures I had from there, and yep, I can see where their talking about

Unread postPosted: 26 Jun 2008, 02:25
by parrothead
And to add a bit to that, the right rudder from #978 is now the left rudder on #975 which is on display at the March Field Air Museum at March ARB in SoCal :)

Unread postPosted: 25 Jul 2008, 04:38
by scorpio110367
When I worked RC-135V's at Kadena AB, JPN, acft 63-9792 was presumed to be haunted because it was a 'bodybag jet" back during the Vietnam conflict... things started to happen to that jet that was unexplainable. Power would go off, even while the Hobart was still running and the contacter closed, the back of the boom pod area would get freezing cold even though it was warm and humid outside, cabin lights would flicker while I do my preflight insp., the analog dials would start to move while power was off, strange noises would be heard from the nav table and sextant window, I couldn't figure it out. I spent a lot of time at Anderson AFB, Guam for PTTF and typhoon evacs, and the one story that would scare the bejesus out of me was the headless major running around the alert ramp asking crewchiefs where his jet was??? Or if your jet had to go to fuel cell at Andy from the alert ramp, the tow was so freaking long, you could see the runway of Andy was not straight, but like a mogul. Or this one, we Cope T'ed at Clark AB, PI, TA parked our jets beyond the Ops line, more like closer to the helipad, well we had to hurry back to the Ops line so that we could catch the remaining tankers that was due in. We grabbed our toolboxes and launch kits and ran towards Ops, pitch dark, hot and humid, we had to get there to catch the jets... well half way there, close by the helipad, a bunch of us idiots fell into a ditch, come to find out that Clark AB, back in WWII when the Nips had control of the country, was a prison camp for all that survived the Bataan Death March, and that some of the ditches that line the helipad were mass graves of POW's.

Unread postPosted: 19 Nov 2008, 05:59
by maddog2840
maddog2840 wrote:
Siesta wrote:The golf courses maybe used for mass casualty burials. Base Support Plans have those in them. But they weren't made for that particular purpose. the golf courses are made to play golf!


Of course gold courses are made to play golf on..... :roll: . The REASON to fund the construction of and to guarantee that there's a golf course on every AFB is....mass graves. BTW: Anybody have an AFB without a golf course??


Oh damn, I answered myself...Creech AFB does not have a golf course, or base housing, or a commissary or a chapel.

Unread postPosted: 19 Nov 2008, 10:38
by ATC
[quote="maddog2840]
Oh damn, I answered myself...Creech AFB does not have a golf course, or base housing, or a commissary or a chapel.[/quote]

...Or real airplanes to fly

Unread postPosted: 19 Nov 2008, 15:46
by fasurp23
afnsucks wrote:Cadets are equally as important as the people in the real military that have to salute them because they are investments in our future that we absolutely can not do without :lol:


Uh ya, to my knowledge you are not required to salute academy cadets.

Unread postPosted: 20 Nov 2008, 02:23
by TC
fasurp23 wrote:to my knowledge you are not required to salute academy cadets.


Other than the Academy instructors, and base leadership (i.e., REAL officers), you aren't required to salute anyone at the Academy until the President shakes their hand and the Thunderbirds fly over the top of their heads. Then, they are real officers too. But you see, there is a good part about this too. If you were already an officer before that precise moment, you don't even have to salute them then! :lol:

However, within the cadet corps itself, the cadets play their little game, and certain cadets require salutes from the cadets more junior to them...and somewhere, I see a jazz hand being raised by a guy with a pierced right ear, who is listening to a George Michael record. :roll:

Unread postPosted: 20 Nov 2008, 04:28
by Delta
TC wrote:
fasurp23 wrote:to my knowledge you are not required to salute academy cadets.


Other than the Academy instructors, and base leadership (i.e., REAL officers), you aren't required to salute anyone at the Academy until the President shakes their hand and the Thunderbirds fly over the top of their heads. Then, they are real officers too. But you see, there is a good part about this too. If you were already an officer before that precise moment, you don't even have to salute them then! :lol:

However, within the cadet corps itself, the cadets play their little game, and certain cadets require salutes from the cadets more junior to them...and somewhere, I see a jazz hand being raised by a guy with a pierced right ear, who is listening to a George Michael record. :roll:


True. Academy cadets do not salute other cadets unless its for an official hearing or some sort. Cadet having to salute other cadets is a ROTC thing. Also, the only time you see cadets saluting other cadets its either them saluting a friend for the hell of it, as a joke, or patronizing their cadet leadership (at least it's that way this semester out here).

Unread postPosted: 20 Nov 2008, 22:44
by Shortcut
"At my last base"...

The one where "At my last base..." an airman got his head pinched between two hanger doors and it popped like a pimple, and thats why they have to be open 10 ft now. (Or somtimes it's the door fell off the top track and the airman ran away from the door in the direction it was falling instead of to the left or right, and thats why you have to stand infront/behind the door when moving.)

Or "At my last base..." a fire fighter (or specialist somtimes) got sucked up an F-16 intake. (Actually a fireman did get sucked up when I was stationed at Homestead. But I did have a guy tell me it happened at his last base.)

OR "At my last base..." after juming chalks the crew chief taxied arround back to chalks. (Or somtimes even took off and came arround.)

Unread postPosted: 21 Nov 2008, 07:39
by maddog2840
ATC wrote:
maddog2840 wrote:Oh damn, I answered myself...Creech AFB does not have a golf course, or base housing, or a commissary or a chapel.


...Or real airplanes to fly


True.

Q: How do Pred pilots know they're not in a simulator?
A: On "real" flights there's a fan on the dash board blowing in their faces.

Q: How can you tell veteran Pred Pilots from rookies?
A: Veterans lean into the turn.

Q: What's the number reason for students to wash out of the MQ-9 program?
A: Airsickness.

Shall I go on?

Unread postPosted: 21 Dec 2008, 04:38
by t_tail_fe
Ok, the pred stuff followed by the net sponsor posting a UAV radio controlled plane advert...

Priceless! :D

Unread postPosted: 21 Dec 2008, 12:30
by JLMeurs
[quote="Shortcut"]"At my last base"...


Or "At my last base..." a fire fighter (or specialist somtimes) got sucked up an F-16 intake. (Actually a fireman did get sucked up when I was stationed at Homestead. But I did have a guy tell me it happened at his last base.)

This one's not an AF urban legend. It was January 1983. He was a weapons troop from Hill (421st) on a TDY to Luke. If I remember it right, his last name was Lomas. He was doing an EOR check and got too close while the pilot was running the engine up for an EPU check. He was checking in the nose gear area and the airflow grabbed his field jacket hood and pulled him in headfirst, fatally injuring him.

I was with a bigger group from the 16th who were also TDY to Luke, and did the initial engine run after the investigation was over and we stuffed the first available engine into the jet (the 421st guys had already left Luke). I'm not normally superstitious, but was feeling a little spooked. It was the first time I'd ever run a block 15, and previous F-16s didn't have Betty on board; you can imagine my surprise when I heard someone say "caution" and it wasn't the guy on the ground...

Guys from the 421st told me that the jet (81-0730) was never quite right after that, it crashed into the desert within 2 years.
:(

Unread postPosted: 29 Dec 2008, 20:25
by Tim
I heard this years ago and was wondering if there was any truth to it. Maybe some of our stick actuators could answer it for me. I heard that if a crew member was forced to eject from the Phantom twice that his flying career was over. Something to do with possibility of spinal damage if forced to eject again. Any truth to that or is that just another Urban legend?

Unread postPosted: 30 Dec 2008, 02:47
by outlaw162
I’ve got a little Phantom time and I don't think this was part of the initial course in-brief, nor did anybody ever advise me of this while I flew it. I would think just to put that kind of statement on the record might actually end up killing someone.

If I recall correctly, the Martin-Baker Mk 7 seat in the F-4 was a very powerful zero-zero seat and therefore was capable of high acceleration rates (G).

There were a number of severe back and neck injuries historically associated with the escape system, to include paralysis. I think most were due to body positioning problems, but I can’t say for sure.

I think when they put the spreader guns in the chutes they may have backed off on the rockets. The seven years I flew it, we had two crews eject with no back or neck problems. The 2 pilots went on to the 9G F-16 and did fine.

A second F-4 Martin-Baker ejection might have caused the flight surgeons to make a more thorough evaluation (to include some orthopedic work) and may have resulted in some medical disqualifications, but I don’t think it was a done deal. You're probably only talking about a handful of unlucky guys anyway. Maybe the docs had some sort of unwritten rule or secret handshake. Other than once a year, I generally tried to avoid them.

In any case, you could probably figure on being a millimeter or so shorter.

regards, OL

Unread postPosted: 30 Dec 2008, 21:44
by Tim
Thanx OL, I knew i could count on someone here to shed a little light on that for me. :thanks:
BTW I still think the Rhino is one of the Toughest airframes to to have flown in combat. Not to say she was sexy or anything, but she just looked to be able to bring you guys home more often that not.
P.S. I hated seeing you guys coming in when I worked in T.A. at Kadena. usually meant it was gonna be a long night.

Unread postPosted: 01 Jan 2009, 01:41
by outlaw162
Never flew any combat, but the guys I flew with who did would certainly agree with you.

Usually anywhere I went with it I'd always try to no-chute and then button it up myself to make it as easy as possible on the TA guys in case I really needed help some day. All they needed to do the next day was give me "air on two" and stay clear of the aux air doors.

F-4 was relatively easy to turn. Ever do an F-100 saddle-back hydraulic check? Ever install a drag chute in an F-100? Both were a pain. Especially Saturday morning. :bang:

regards, OL

Unread postPosted: 01 Jan 2009, 18:41
by maddog2840
This is more of a "I was there" rather than an urban legend but since we're talking Rhinos...

We had a pilot in the 563rd (F-4G) that was rather "short". LtCol [name withheld] had ejected and his knees impacted the canopy bow going out. Hanging in the chute he had the distinction of watching his legs twisting around at right angles at this knees.

Surgery to to reconnect his knees resulted in him losing a couple (maybe four inches) of height. Another fine example of fighting his way back into the cockpit.

If memory serves, he brought a really broken jet back rather than electing to eject.

Unread postPosted: 01 Jan 2009, 23:52
by TC
Maddog, I knew a retired LTC (Rhino and Eagle Driver), who was, for a lack of a better term, "vertically challenged". His call sign was "Stump". I don't know of a back story, however (ejections, etc.). Is this the same guy?

Unread postPosted: 08 Apr 2010, 07:11
by maddog2840
TC wrote:Maddog, I knew a retired LTC (Rhino and Eagle Driver), who was, for a lack of a better term, "vertically challenged". His call sign was "Stump". I don't know of a back story, however (ejections, etc.). Is this the same guy?

Maybe??

Unread postPosted: 08 Apr 2010, 07:15
by maddog2840
NEW ONE

Were trading "Back in the Day" stories at work last night. Apparently, Sheppard AFB, TX had the world record for Beer consumption back in the early 70's. Guinness was going to put in the Book but the Air Force asked to excluded. Does anyone else know about this record? Was it at the NCO club, the Airman's club or the club that nobody remembers the name of?

Unread postPosted: 08 Apr 2010, 14:51
by darkvarkguy
I was at Sheppard for Tech School in '83 and remember hearing about the 'beer consumption record in the U.S.' at that time at the Airmen's Club. We were told that it was a continuing record every year.

Unread postPosted: 08 Apr 2010, 21:35
by Shortcut
Or "At my last base..." a fire fighter (or specialist somtimes) got sucked up an F-16 intake. (Actually a fireman did get sucked up when I was stationed at Homestead. But I did have a guy tell me it happened at his last base.)


Hay, I was there at Homestead when that happened. I jumped the intake after it happened.

Unread postPosted: 08 Mar 2011, 19:12
by dfischer
I'm surprised no one has brought up the infamous square needle in the left....errr.....testicle shot in basic training yet. When I went to basic it was told to us while we were in the shot line. Got some of the guys so scared they almost cried. What a crock. Afterall, it was the right one, not the left one anyway. :D

Unread postPosted: 09 Mar 2011, 00:10
by discofishing
You air force guys ever talk about this dude named "Jody"? The guy who is !@#$ing your wife or girlfriend while you're on TDY or deployed.

What about the juicy girls in Korea? Yall ever hear of black syphilis? In the Army, it was told that if you ever caught it, you were quarantined; meaning you stayed in Korea for the rest of your life.

Unread postPosted: 09 Mar 2011, 00:14
by discofishing
You air force guys ever talk about this dude named "Jody"? The guy who is !@#$ing your wife or girlfriend while you're on TDY or deployed.

What about the juicy girls in Korea? Yall ever hear of black syphilis? In the Army, it was told that if you ever caught it, you were quarantined; meaning you stayed in Korea for the rest of your life.

Unread postPosted: 09 Mar 2011, 04:07
by shabah_cactus
Here's a "legend" from the Buffalo area, pretty sad and disturbing actually;

During the (l think it was) 1985 Blue Angels airshow at Niagara Falls there was a mid air collision that resulted in the death of one of the solos (RIP). It is rumored that he was actually decapitated from the wing of the other jet and that his head was found far from the crash site... It is a fact that the crash happened but the decapitation is probably false.

Re: RE: Re: USAF Urban Legends

Unread postPosted: 09 Mar 2011, 04:42
by ruderamronbo
ATFS_Crash wrote:Hanger 18. Area 51


There actually is a hangar 18 at Wright Patt... 8)

Unread postPosted: 09 Mar 2011, 04:46
by ruderamronbo
Tim wrote:I heard this years ago and was wondering if there was any truth to it. Maybe some of our stick actuators could answer it for me. I heard that if a crew member was forced to eject from the Phantom twice that his flying career was over. Something to do with possibility of spinal damage if forced to eject again. Any truth to that or is that just another Urban legend?


I heard it was 3 times. Knew a Viper driver who had punched out twice (had a jet land on top of him at Luke and a motor eat itself on takeoff in Dahran.) Not surprisingly his call-sign became "deuce." He was still flying after the second one...