Wing sweeper

Unread postPosted: 21 Jul 2007, 07:59
by VarkVet
When I say “UPPER” … YOU, say “Heyford” …. “Upper” …..”Heyford” … If your wings don’t sweep you ain’t sh*t

RE: Wing sweeper

Unread postPosted: 21 Jul 2007, 15:20
by Asif
Care to explain yourself???

RE: Wing sweeper

Unread postPosted: 21 Jul 2007, 17:12
by Purplehaze
He's still in love with his F-111's

Unread postPosted: 21 Jul 2007, 20:17
by mark
F-111 = switchblade edsel.

Unread postPosted: 21 Jul 2007, 20:24
by Raptor_claw
Upper Heyford? puh - leeze....

From what I've heard the boys from Lakenheath flew circles around those guys...

:wink:

Unread postPosted: 21 Jul 2007, 21:46
by cutlassracer
If your wings don’t sweep you ain’t sh*t

So, if your wings sweep that means you are s**t? Glad my jets had fixed wings.

Unread postPosted: 21 Jul 2007, 22:02
by Purplehaze
I thought if it moved it must be broken.

Unread postPosted: 22 Jul 2007, 00:28
by TJStoney
I will say upper hemorrhoid and I earned the right to say it. :P

Unread postPosted: 22 Jul 2007, 05:05
by Meathook
and it was either the "Heath" or "Lakenhell"......(on really bad days) :-)

Unread postPosted: 22 Jul 2007, 21:09
by Purplehaze
I met my wife at UH........... :roll:

Unread postPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 01:21
by Tim
"Swept wing, super sonic switchblade"
You guys had the short wings ! :D (FB-11's)

Unread postPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 02:08
by VarkVet

Unread postPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 02:21
by Meathook
Seen that, I still love the expressions of the camera folks too, way cool

Unread postPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 03:30
by parrothead
VarkVet wrote:If your wings don’t sweep you ain’t sh*t


Guess that means the Bones are great :thumb: !

Unread postPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 11:36
by Madewooden
Hey, there may be some credence in Vark Vet's thoughts. I had over ten years experience with the F-16. Now, I didn't have the tutelage of the original F-16 cadre from Hill or MacDill but I think I did well on the aircraft. But, I also have 14 years on the venerable Vark; in fact I sent many to the boneyard. . . quite the sad day. I played with the D's (thank Gawd they're gone), the F's (if weren't for that eyeball I'd say get rid of the thing), the E's (now that's a jet, boys) and the G's (an FB in tactical clothing). In the closing days of the Vark I don't think there were too many aircraft could best it. Okay, there was that time one of our G's lost all its spoilers in this tight turn going 1-V-1 on a Viper. But there was that time at Redflag that we killed a Viper 'cause the driver wasn't aware we mod'd 'em with AIM 9Ps. Naw, I'm with Vark Vet on this one!

Unread postPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 11:45
by Madewooden
Oh, and my last few years in the service (got thrown out, who knew 30 years is all they allowed) I got to play with EVERYTHING in the Air Force inventory. To those that have limited their experience to the fighter regime; play a bit more attention to your brethren in the bomber service. I've seen a bomb load out on a BONE that would shame many a Viper load out. Yep, they're that quick out there! Whether your wings swing, are fixed or warp (have you seen the a$$ end of that B-2 wiggle, weird) it's great to play with jets; the ultimate big boy toy!

Unread postPosted: 23 Jul 2007, 20:29
by cutlassracer
The museum here has a squadron bird from UH. Yellow checkerboard tail. Can't make out squadron, it's dark when I go to work. I'm sure the UH folks know the squadron.

Unread postPosted: 26 Jul 2007, 17:24
by SixerViper
Ahhhh--- but could a Vark beat a Thud at a low-level all-out speed contest??????

Unread postPosted: 26 Jul 2007, 17:53
by johnwill
I had (maybe still have somewhere) an old scratchy photo of an F-111 flight test airplane instrument panel. It shows 890 kts at 3500 ft. level flight. Could a Thud do that?

Unread postPosted: 26 Jul 2007, 17:59
by SixerViper
Redline airspeed for all supersonic fighters is somewhere in the vicinity of 800-820 KIAS. This is due to air loads on the jet. The Vark and Thud are no exceptions. Besides, 3500' ain't low altitude!! To answer your question, I suspect that a Thud could do that. That was one FAST jet down low--and the only thing that could even approach it at low level is a 'Vark.

Unread postPosted: 26 Jul 2007, 20:39
by johnwill
Didn't say 3500 was low altitude. It just happened to be the test altitude at the highest airspeed I could find from an F-111.
If the F-111 can do 890 at 3500' it can do 890 at SL. No significant difference in air between 0 and 3500. 890 at 3500 is a higher mach number also.
Red lines are not set by airloads on a jet. On an F-16 for example, wing and fuselage loads at 800/SL are significantly lower than at 600/SL. What sets the limit is the USAF spec. The contractor flight test proves that spec can be met safely. The airplane could possibly go faster safely, but unless the USAF pays for it, no additional flight test is done to verify it.

Unread postPosted: 28 Jul 2007, 04:01
by SixerViper
I do know that the last military jet to hold the low-level speed record was the F-4. Later, a civilian F-104 attempted to break the record, but could only do it in one direction. It actually outran the Rhino, but broke and never completed the required opposite run.
I for one would love to have seen both the Thud and Vark go all-out balls to the wall and settle once and for all which jet is the fastest down low. I have no doubt that both could outrun the F-4.
Please enlighten me--how can air loads on the same jet be lower at 800/SL than at 600/SL, assuming all other parameters to be equal? Inquiring minds want to know.

Unread postPosted: 28 Jul 2007, 08:15
by johnwill
Certainly the air load from drag will be higher at 800/SL, but that is such a trivial load for the structure, that it isn't even considered when determining the thickness of skins, spars, longerons, etc. Maneuvering loads from turns, rolls, sideslips, etc. are not necessarily highest at the highest airspeed. For example, take an F-16 in a 9g turn at 600/SL compared to 800/SL. Total lift is the same, Gross Weight x 9g. But the distribution of the lift (wing, fuselage, tail) is quite different. As speed is increased beyond 600 kt, wing twist reduces the wing angle of attack and wing lift. Since total lift must stay the same, the airplane angle of attack increases a small amount and the fuselage lift increases. So you have reduced wing lift and increased fuselage lift at 800 kt.

The actual structural load on the wing and fuselage is the sum of lift and inertia. The wing inertia is wing weight x 9g and the fuselage inertia is fuselage weight x 9g, both acting down. Wing lift (up) is much larger than wing inertia (down), so at 800 kt, total wing load is reduced. Fuselage lift (up) is much less than fuselage inertia (down), so total fuselage load is also reduced at 800 kt.

I have neglected the horizontal tail lift effects for simplicity - it changes things a little, but not the concept. Also not included is the effect of the wing lift shifting inboard, which reduces wing bending moments at 800 kt.

Not all component loads are reduced at 800 kt. Horizontal and vertical tail maneuvering loads are maximum there.

This is a simplified explanation of a very complex topic, but I hope it clarifies things a bit for you. I appreciate your interest and your question.

Unread postPosted: 28 Jul 2007, 08:24
by VarkVet
Bottom line

Nothing faster down low than an F-111F (without pavetac)

Get over it :twisted:

Unread postPosted: 29 Jul 2007, 00:05
by VarkVet

Unread postPosted: 29 Jul 2007, 01:34
by beepa
Thanks for the link VarkVet,I'm a big fan of the Vark and still stop whatever I'm doing to watch these impressive aircraft fly over [which is most days]....Pity we [Aust] will put them down in 2010 :bang: ......Do you guys have any still flying for air shows,displays etc.?...Down here the dump and burn [especially multiple aircraft] is always a show stopper!!! Is there any other aircraft, past and present, that can safely do this??

Unread postPosted: 05 Aug 2007, 23:49
by Tim
I remember working FB-111a's at Pease. kinda a love-hate relationship. Loved getting them airborn, hated them on the ground.
I actually had a code 1 flight that turned into a code 3 flight for a mouse in the cockpit...... Never try signing that off by putting "Installed cat" some DCM's dont have a sense of humor.

Unread postPosted: 06 Aug 2007, 00:29
by VarkVet
Do you guys have any still flying for air shows,displays etc.?...Down here the dump and burn [especially multiple aircraft] is always a show stopper!!! Is there any other aircraft, past and present, that can safely do this??


No we don’t have any still flying … the USAF got rid of them because nacelle former cracks were starting to develop in the older models. F-111s were also maintenance intensive, and maintenance expensive. The Aussies are famous for the dump and burn. The only USAF dump and burn that I recall (because it made the British news papers) was an incident over Milton Keynes (don’t know time frame) either late “80’s or early 90’s when an E from Upper Heyford had an IFE and had to dump fuel. Since he was at a lower altitude he decided to torch the fuel dump off so it wouldn’t hit the ground. The Milton Keynes newspaper reported the incident as “American Bomber Explodes over Milton Keynes” :lol:

Most modern day jets will not have the dump mast between the engines ... for safety reasons you can not hot pit :roll:

Missin Da Vark

Unread postPosted: 06 Aug 2007, 00:47
by f111f16
The -111 will always be one of the coolest birds ever to become operational. Sure there was controversy, which is ever present anytime you bolt, rivet, glue, or mate that many pieces of metal together with all the electronics, hydraulics, mechanical, pneumatic, etc., systems, components, and materials as any jet aircraft has. The guys that crewed the -111 which I have spoken/worked with were/are 100% in support of the bird as a great platform for its mission profile. I am a stinkin civvie, but am an aerospace professional and have worked countless hours in direct support of military flight operations in many regions. Sure the -16 is a great air superiority bird with top notch ground attack credentials also, I only mention this as local GD/FW kinda guy. I would love to go on holiday to Amberly just to see/feel the -111 poking holes in the sky again. No tears, too many neat birds for that, just think the -111 was/is a Sierra Hotel in my book. Clear, Blue and 22 to all..............

RE: Missin Da Vark

Unread postPosted: 06 Aug 2007, 02:22
by VarkVet

RE: Missin Da Vark

Unread postPosted: 07 Aug 2007, 03:27
by Tim
Great shots VarkVet,
Anyone know what an A-10 simulator looks like? .....
Its a dumpster the crew sits in, and everyone throws rocks at it.

RE: Missin Da Vark

Unread postPosted: 19 Aug 2007, 21:54
by VarkVet
You Aussies are absolutely Bonkers


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BxWvFUAwjI

RE: Missin Da Vark

Unread postPosted: 19 Aug 2007, 23:46
by Meathook
Yep seen that done many times, it is always impressive....thanks

RE: Missin Da Vark

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2007, 04:40
by VarkVet
Watch the flight characteristics of this jet when the external tank busts the whole a$$ end up.

None


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKlV9VvHaEY

wing sweeper

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2007, 04:52
by fireball
I was very lucky to have lived in a small town in southern cal called lakeside. I met one of the guys that had the arduous task of developing a chute for the ejection system of the F111. He was a very cool guy, bringing into perspective the weight of the capsule and the requirements for the chute. The task of developing a chute for that heavy a machine was nearly impossible... good thing they got it done.

Unread postPosted: 05 Apr 2009, 05:33
by VarkVet
My old Flight Chief gets all the glory

Thanks Australia for keeping them going for so long :notworthy:

http://www.nellis.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123139241

Unread postPosted: 05 Apr 2009, 17:33
by darkvarkguy
Long live the F-111!!! A,EF,C,D,E,F,G, they all rock. To add some info to the last few posts. Our pilots reported 900KIAS low level and I personally recovered a G-model (68-0249) that went 2.8 at altitude. Our FB-111 did a dump and burn in Portugal during Tiger Meet '87, so the Aussies aren't the only ones. F-111,....when it absolutely, positively has to get there overnight..."

Unread postPosted: 05 Apr 2009, 19:37
by Meathook
Damn....that is one nice photo, I love it too...very cool

Unread postPosted: 05 Apr 2009, 21:45
by TC
The 'Vark had some very pig like qualities, but anyone who doubted its abilities should have a 1 on 1 conversation with Colonel Qaddafi.

Unread postPosted: 05 Apr 2009, 21:51
by Meathook
I was Pro-Super of an FB-111 squadron at Lakenheath (492nd FS) for the year before we converted to the F-15E, Strike Eagle.

I am glad I had the chance to manage that effort as short lived as it was.

Unread postPosted: 27 Dec 2009, 01:00
by VarkVet
Never forget your first love! Second is f-16 ... only reason I like F-111 better is because she holds more fuel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khnt8y1n ... re=related

Cudos to John Will and the rest of the old schoolers that built these GD beasts!

!

Unread postPosted: 27 Dec 2009, 06:21
by darkvarkguy
Love everything about -111s and miss them every day!

Unread postPosted: 27 Dec 2009, 06:41
by Meathook
Nice photo....Happy New Year

Unread postPosted: 27 Dec 2009, 12:38
by schecter75
Worked on F-111's from 94-97 at Cannon. It was an absolute pig but I would go back to them in a heartbeat if I could.

Unread postPosted: 28 Aug 2010, 02:26
by VarkVet
I got same time on Vipers as Varks now .... Sweet Jet

Unread postPosted: 31 Aug 2010, 23:36
by FDiron
Two sets of eyes in the cockpit made the F-111 (and the F-14) a good tactical aircraft. Could deliver ordinance close to U.S. troops without blasting them. Can't say the same thing for the A-10 (Battle of El Nassiraih).

Unread postPosted: 01 Sep 2010, 10:19
by deadseal
parrothead wrote:
VarkVet wrote:If your wings don’t sweep you ain’t sh*t


If it requires two pilots and can't pull 9G's you ain't sh1t.

Unread postPosted: 01 Sep 2010, 13:13
by dfischer
I remember being TDY from Lakenheath to Goia Del Colla (Damn Spelling!). We started the "If your wings don't sweep you aint sh*t" mantra in the club one night. But with an interesting twist. We did it in an exagerated Italian accent. I don't remember if we got asked to leave the club that night or not.

Unread postPosted: 03 Sep 2010, 11:29
by beepa
Congrats. on the hours Vark. :cheers:
Was at the practice run for tomorrows last Dump/Burn (mabey) in Bris. city today(03/09/10). The guys sure keep em looking good after all this time. Tomorrow is the last twin burn over the city for 'Riverfire'(at night)..Large crowds expected again!..Keep an eye out on Youtube...First week in December is the last flyover. Hopefully as many airframes as possible, mabey a burn.
I will sure miss the 'old days' where their altitude and proximity to the crowd resulted in a 'too close to the campfire' type feeling!
Will never forget the first time I finally saw an F16 fly..6 of them (RSAF Blk 52's) escorting twin Varks...only 8 or so wks ago...(yes I'm a long way from a Falcons nest) :notworthy:

Unread postPosted: 03 Sep 2010, 23:15
by VarkVet
beepa wrote:Congrats. on the hours Vark. :cheers:
Was at the practice run for tomorrows last Dump/Burn (mabey) in Bris. city today(03/09/10). The guys sure keep em looking good after all this time. Tomorrow is the last twin burn over the city for 'Riverfire'(at night)..Large crowds expected again!..Keep an eye out on Youtube...First week in December is the last flyover. Hopefully as many airframes as possible, mabey a burn.
I will sure miss the 'old days' where their altitude and proximity to the crowd resulted in a 'too close to the campfire' type feeling!
Will never forget the first time I finally saw an F16 fly..6 of them (RSAF Blk 52's) escorting twin Varks...only 8 or so wks ago...(yes I'm a long way from a Falcons nest) :notworthy:


Thanks dude!

I really miss that Earth Pig and look forward to the final Dump and Burn!

I will always remember when that Heyford jet did one (IFE) and the paper said "Nuclear Bomber Explodes over Milton Keynes" :lol:

Thats classic :D

Unread postPosted: 05 Sep 2010, 04:00
by johnwill
As that final dump and burn approaches, I can already feel the nostalgia washing over me. On that day in 1965 when I watched the first flight of the F-111, I was all of 26 years old. Never in my life imagined I would be 71 when the last one flew. As much as I love the F-16 and all it meant to me and my family (lots of new shoes for the kids), nothing can ever top that "first one". I was lucky enough to work with that beast for ten years - unforgettable experience.

Many thanks to all you guys and gals who kept her going for all these years.

Unread postPosted: 25 Sep 2010, 12:16
by beepa
Johnwill...thanks for your insight..I will be one of the crowd at EOR for her last flight(off base in the usual spot)..I surely will spare a minute or two thinking of you and Varkvet..As an Aust. icecream licker whom was born the year the Vark became a 'resident' I am amazed in the feelings not only I have but many of the Aust. public. It may sound strange, but this airframe is actually more of a beacon of joy, awe and friendship throughout Aust. culture.
Many thanks to all those who were..'and still are' involved in her upkeep.

Unread postPosted: 25 Sep 2010, 13:15
by darkvarkguy
I was always amazed at the adoration and pride the Aussies (Military and Civilian) have for the wonderful -111 and wondered why it never got the same love here in the U.S. Those of us that maintained and flew them certainly have a great love for them but it doesn't run as far and wide with the public the way it does in Australian. Good on you guys!

Unread postPosted: 25 Sep 2010, 20:45
by johnwill
Thanks, beepa. Many of my closest friends today are also part of the "new hires" of 1963 - 65 who helped bring the -111 into being. We have always greatly admired the way Australia has adopted the -111 as its own. I will always remember seeing those 24 Aussie -111Cs sitting on the ramp for a couple of years waiting for us to get them right and deliver them. You guys showed great patience with us and it eventually paid off for you.

Wish I could be there with ya, mate!

Unread postPosted: 25 Sep 2010, 23:42
by yasirbhojani
Quote:

If your wings don’t sweep you ain’t sh*t


So, if your wings sweep that means you are s**t? Glad my jets had fixed wings.



lmao !

Unread postPosted: 03 Dec 2010, 08:47
by beepa
OK all thats it!!....125 was the first airframe to land in Aust...today she was the last......when they left it was great...when the solo run did the last burns, rolls etc. it was spectactular...but after their final pass and the six of them starting dropping their gear..well there was silence...even a few tears...to see the final moments I could only think of those on this site who changed, within my mind, the concept of a "jet" into a complex labour of love...while we in Aust. salute all involved...I hope all of you visit ***tube and join with us the passing of the Vark.....All of you should be proud of your participation in the life of an extrordinary airframe...thank you!!

Unread postPosted: 05 Dec 2010, 03:50
by johnwill
Thanks, beepa. Some great footage on utube. :thanks: :cheers: :salute: :cry:

Unread postPosted: 05 Dec 2010, 08:15
by beepa
Great photo of the final pass.

Unread postPosted: 05 Dec 2010, 23:23
by VarkVet
Thanks Beepa … end of an era!
I really “loved” that jet. :cry:

Unread postPosted: 06 Dec 2010, 05:47
by LinkF16SimDude
Any plans for doling out the retired jets for static displays? Museums? And does Australia have a military Boneyard like we do in the U.S. at Davis-Monthan?

Unread postPosted: 06 Dec 2010, 07:32
by beepa
There is one going at the entry to Amberley near the Canberra already on display. Others I'm not sure of. I'm not aware of a Boneyard here but if you look at Amberley on Google earth you can see all our old Varks in a tight group.
Here is a nice little overview of the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkH3khklMuk

Unread postPosted: 07 Dec 2010, 04:17
by beepa
This is not only the last night burn, but the longest ever burn!!

Unread postPosted: 07 Dec 2010, 06:16
by LinkF16SimDude
:cool: Wicked!! Wonder how much gas he had left? :P

Unread postPosted: 07 Dec 2010, 16:22
by dfischer
I cut my aircraft maintenance teeth on the F model Vark at Mtn Goat and RAF Hooterville....errr Lakenheath. And the Vark will always have a special place in my heart.

Unread postPosted: 12 Dec 2010, 01:25
by VarkVet
LinkF16SimDude wrote::cool: Wicked!! Wonder how much gas he had left? :P


Probably quite a bit gas left … 32K lbs+ clean, bumping up to 40+K with bags

AND THE F-111 is a "SHE" and F*** DADT!!!!

Unread postPosted: 12 Dec 2010, 02:31
by LinkF16SimDude
:lol: Point taken...

Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2012, 03:36
by VarkVet

Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2012, 08:37
by deadseal
32K lbs of gas!!!! Jesus! what was the standard PPH at .85M or whatever you flew around at tactically?

Unread postPosted: 30 Jan 2012, 17:47
by exfltsafety
For a training sortie at low level without heavy stores and over non-mountainous terrain, it would be in the 10,000 - 12,000 pph range at 540 TAS. That's total, not per engine.