Fighter Pilot Podcast ep 61... F-22 RAPTOR!

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Unread post03 Nov 2019, 00:44

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Unread post07 Nov 2019, 14:06

VERY interesting listen...

Pilot interviewed said when flying clean, the Raptor has the same endurace as an F-15C with 2 bags (he's also a former F-15C pilot). Also said Raptors have tangled with SU-35's over Syria, and found the F-22 bested it handily. Those weren't his exact words, but that was the gist of it...
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Unread post07 Nov 2019, 18:26

Some details how F-22 accelerate to super cruising speed with AB. I think around 54 mark.
mach 0.9 to 1.3 with AB, climb to 45-60k ft, accelerate to 1.5, switch to military power. They dont want to stay in 0.9-1.2 region too long.

It just confirms what many members on this forum said before. And show context for quote about mach 1.2 F-35 super cruise is not particularly useful.
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Unread post07 Nov 2019, 18:30

mixelflick wrote:VERY interesting listen...

Pilot interviewed said when flying clean, the Raptor has the same endurace as an F-15C with 2 bags (he's also a former F-15C pilot).


This quote should include IFR part.
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Unread post07 Nov 2019, 18:42

I'll never have an hour to myself to listen to this. I need a transcript. LOL.
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Unread post11 Nov 2019, 04:09

shania wrote:Some details how F-22 accelerate to super cruising speed with AB. I think around 54 mark.
mach 0.9 to 1.3 with AB, climb to 45-60k ft, accelerate to 1.5, switch to military power. They dont want to stay in 0.9-1.2 region too long.

It just confirms what many members on this forum said before. And show context for quote about mach 1.2 F-35 super cruise is not particularly useful.


It starts at the 53:20 mark when they start to talk about supercruise and its tactical use for the F-22. The mach 1.2 for the F-35 is more of dash than an actual cruise speed for an extended duration. I believe he is talking about the most optimal and quickest way to get at speed and altitude desired. In testing they have proven the F-22 can go supersonic at full-mil... if you can get at altitude and speed faster, why not?
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Unread post11 Nov 2019, 09:01

mixelflick wrote: ... the Raptor has the same endurace as an F-15C with 2 bags.


It may have similar endurance, but the cruise speed will be much higher for same fuel flow rate, or same altitude, thus a substantial difference in achievable range.
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Unread post11 Nov 2019, 11:25

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:I'll never have an hour to myself to listen to this. I need a transcript. LOL.

same feel man, I heard they talked about ALR-94, but I don't know what part.
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Unread post11 Nov 2019, 17:19

element1loop wrote:
mixelflick wrote: ... the Raptor has the same endurace as an F-15C with 2 bags.


It may have similar endurance, but the cruise speed will be much higher for same fuel flow rate, or same altitude, thus a substantial difference in achievable range.


Meaning much greater range for the Raptor, correct?

If so that's an important point, and i'm glad you pointed it out. We often hear about how the Raptor's range is really sub par. I don't think that's fair at all. LM got what, almost 80% of an F-15E's typical fuel load but all internal?

F-15E with 2 CFT: 23,350lbs
F-22A all internal: 18,000lbs

That's pretty damn impressive IMO, especially given as you pointed out cruise speed being much higher with similar fuel flow rate. Sure, the F-35 is even more impressive but anyone accusing the Raptor of having short legs just isn't in touch with reality...
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Unread post11 Nov 2019, 18:24

F-22 range isn't bad and fine for European operations. When people say it has short legs it's more about Pacific operations, and compared to F-23. But for Pacific operations even F-23 range wouldn't be enough, so we need some big aerodynamic and propulsion innovations to make a fighter suitable for fighting in Pacific.

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