The Lockheed Martin F-22A Raptor

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Unread post19 Feb 2018, 00:29

The F-22 Raptor is considered the first fifth-generation fighter in the inventory of the United States Air Force, using low-observation technologies, modern avionics and efficient engines. The F-22 Raptor, a critical component of the Force of Global Strike Task, is designed to project the airborne domain quickly and at great distances and defeat the threats that try to deny access to the Air Force, the Army, the Navy and the US Marine Corps.
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Unread post19 Feb 2018, 00:41

You have to wonder.......the 35 is being exported maybe without the “US” branded avionics, but still. The Raptor is 20 years old and still rules. It is forbidden to export sales......must be something there nobody wants seen or told.....hehe......even with all the gleaning of tech, espionage, etc,etc, it still is held in the highest regard. Just sayin......

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Unread post19 Feb 2018, 15:43

There is some electronic/avionics capability they're not telling us about. Has to be. On paper, the F-35's sensor package is vastly superior. We're told its stealth is also superior. That coupled with the curious comments by a former Raptor pilot about the F-22's speed, maneuverability etc being the least impressive part of the jet..

The secret sauce must be under the skin, and it must be some new breakthrough in avionics - unique to the Raptor.
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Unread post19 Feb 2018, 17:29

mixelflick wrote:There is some electronic/avionics capability they're not telling us about. Has to be. On paper, the F-35's sensor package is vastly superior. We're told its stealth is also superior. That coupled with the curious comments by a former Raptor pilot about the F-22's speed, maneuverability etc being the least impressive part of the jet..

The secret sauce must be under the skin, and it must be some new breakthrough in avionics - unique to the Raptor.

Maybe it actually has wing root IRSTs and the cheek arrays already and they just aren't telling anyone.
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Unread post19 Feb 2018, 18:18

Now, now, no spreading any rumors
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Unread post19 Feb 2018, 19:08

mixelflick wrote:There is some electronic/avionics capability they're not telling us about. Has to be. ...
The secret sauce must be under the skin, and it must be some new breakthrough in avionics - unique to the Raptor.

Why so absolute in your "facts"?

A IMHO better hypothesis is that the F-35 incorporates safeguards to protect it's secrets by design, while the F-22 lacks such protection. It would be pretty bad if you could reverse engineer the software of the Raptor for example, leaking details about certain features would increase vulnerability.
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Unread post19 Feb 2018, 19:20

A IMHO better hypothesis is that the F-35 incorporates safeguards to protect it's secrets by design, while the F-22 lacks such protection.
Exactly.

The F-22 was not designed with export in mind so its protection against reverse engineering is not as robust as the F-35. This is why exporting the F-22 would cost so much as it's avionics would need a serious redesign.
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Unread post19 Feb 2018, 20:20

tailgate wrote:Now, now, no spreading any rumors

But the people need to learn the truth! Klingon cloaking devices, internal Photon Torpedo carriage, 360 phaser coverage, and of course the dilithium warp core in case things get too hot.
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 01:30

Ppfft the Raptor will be dead before IOC and it's weaker than Su27 which is Hella stronk with genuine 4.9++++******sqrt avionics.
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 01:34

Don’t forget the Quatum Flux Capacitor ...........
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 01:41

nutshell wrote:Ppfft the Raptor will be dead before IOC and it's weaker than Su27 which is Hella stronk with genuine 4.9++++******sqrt avionics.


Legend has it that the largest number to exist is that which represents the amount of plus signs the Russians will eventually put after the 4, when describing what generation their "upgraded" planes are.
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 02:33

tailgate wrote:Don’t forget the Quatum Flux Capacitor ...........


Let's also not forget that it could supercruise through the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 03:38

tsl256 wrote:
tailgate wrote:Don’t forget the Quatum Flux Capacitor ...........


Let's also not forget that it could supercruise through the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.


And the super comfy butt warming shiatsu massaging ventilated ejection seats.....
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 03:47

tailgate wrote:Don’t forget the Quatum Flux Capacitor ...........


Quantum Flux Capacitor... pfft!

The F-22 Raptor is powered by a classified material that can create a dark energy field that can either raise or lower the mass of objects within it. When utilized correctly it can create an area of mass free space allowing the F-22 to supercruise at FTL speeds as well as completely making it invisible to all wavelengths in the radio-wave spectrum.

In all seriousness the F-22 was (in a number of ways) well ahead of everything else out there back then and is still in the lead followed very very closely if not tied by the F-35.
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Unread post20 Feb 2018, 14:53

botsing wrote:
mixelflick wrote:There is some electronic/avionics capability they're not telling us about. Has to be. ...
The secret sauce must be under the skin, and it must be some new breakthrough in avionics - unique to the Raptor.

Why so absolute in your "facts"?

A IMHO better hypothesis is that the F-35 incorporates safeguards to protect it's secrets by design, while the F-22 lacks such protection. It would be pretty bad if you could reverse engineer the software of the Raptor for example, leaking details about certain features would increase vulnerability.


Well, my reasoning is this: If they're ever head to head the Raptor's avionics not having export guards isn't cutting it. There must be some fundamental technology it has that makes it tougher to beat, or makes it easier for the Raptor to deal with other stealth threats.

I can see your point about not having export guards, but IMO that won't carry the day vs. the F-35.
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