F-22 encounter Su-35 over Syria?

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Unread post14 Dec 2017, 19:38

Happened again ...

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/14/polit ... index.html

Two US F-22 stealth fighters intercepted two Russian aircraft Wednesday after the Russian jets crossed the Euphrates River in Syria, flying east of the "de-confliction line" that is supposed to separate Russian and US-led coalition aircraft operating over Syria, two US defense officials told CNN.

The US jets fired warning flares during the intercept of the two Russian Su-25 close air support jets according to the officials after they crossed the de-confliction line multiple times.

"The F-22s conducted multiple maneuvers to persuade the Su-25s to depart our de-conflicted airspace, including the release of chaff and flares in close proximity to the Russian aircraft and placing multiple calls on the emergency channel to convey to the Russian pilots that they needed to depart the area," he added.

Pickart accused the Russian pilots of dangerous flying during the encounter. "One Su-25 flew close enough to an F-22A that it had to aggressively maneuver to avoid a midair collision," he said, adding that "during the incident, a Russian Su-35 also flew across the river and was shadowed closely by one of the F-22As."

He said the encounter lasted approximately 40 minutes before the Russian aircraft flew to the west side of the river, saying officers from the US-led coalition contacted the Russians on the de-confliction line "to de-escalate the situation and avert a strategic miscalculation."

"In early November we verbally agreed through de-confliction channels that the Russians would remain west of the Euphrates River, and the coalition would operate to the east. Since agreeing to this de-confliction arrangement, the Russians have flown into our airspace on the east side of the river 6-8 times per day, or approximately 10% of the Russian and Syrian flights," Pickart said.

"If either of us needs to cross the river for any reason, we're supposed to first de-conflict via the line. It's become increasingly tough for our pilots to discern whether Russian pilots' actions are deliberate or if these are just honest mistakes," he added, saying, "the coalition's greatest concern is that we could shoot down a Russian aircraft because its actions are seen as a threat to our air or ground forces."

"We are not here to fight the Russians and Syrians -- our focus remains on defeating ISIS. That said, if anyone threatens coalition or friendly partner forces in the air or on the ground, we will defend them," he added.
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Unread post14 Dec 2017, 20:34

Same story. Different perspective.
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Unread post14 Dec 2017, 20:45

The incident took place Wednesday
which would be 13th December.

And the Russians claim this time they were providing cover for a humanitarian convoy.

https://www.rt.com/news/413246-f-22-syria-us-russia/
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Unread post14 Dec 2017, 21:58

mas wrote:providing cover for a humanitarian convoy

Jesus freakin Christ, those Ruskies are holier than the Pope himself, and Amerikantsi are so EVIL.
And the last time they were bombing ISIS, supposedly.
Sigh.
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Unread post15 Dec 2017, 06:49

A Frogfoot almost took out a Raptor.


http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17 ... e-going-on
"When a fifth-generation fighter meets a fourth-generation fighter—the [latter] dies,”
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Unread post15 Dec 2017, 14:41

This keeps up and it's only a matter of time.

Just imagine a Frogfoot/F-22 collission and the F-22 goes down. 0 for 1 in the air to air arena. Don't laugh, it could happen. Knowing that, why on earth would F-22's put themselves in such a position? The SU-35/F-22 encounter is going to go down, it sounds like sooner vs. later.

I sure hope our pilots have a respectable ROE to work within...
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Unread post15 Dec 2017, 15:27

popcorn wrote:A Frogfoot almost took out a Raptor.


http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17 ... e-going-on


Clickbait title. :slap:
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Unread post06 Jan 2018, 12:02

I didn't realize there had been an official ROE set up ;) but apparently Russian pilots are now bragging about their encounters with American jets over Syria.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/12/2 ... -in-syria/

Russian pilots always managed to get behind US-led coalition fighter jets they encountered in the skies over Syria, a Russian ace said after receiving a state award from President Putin at the Kremlin.

“When meeting our partners from the Western coalition in the air, we always found ourselves ‘on their tails’ as the pilots say, which means victory in a dogfight,” Russian Airspace Forces major, Maksim Makolin, said.
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Unread post06 Jan 2018, 12:38

a Russian ace


Ace in what? MSF Hospitals?
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Unread post06 Jan 2018, 17:04

hythelday wrote:
a Russian ace


Ace in what? MSF Hospitals?


LOL.. :D
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Unread post07 Jan 2018, 01:56

"Veterans Today" is a wacky conspiracy site.
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Unread post07 Jan 2018, 13:56

Anyone remind me why are discussing obvious BS? How about we refrain from posting anything that is from "Pravda v2.0" source?
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Unread post08 Jan 2018, 00:56

hythelday wrote:Anyone remind me why we are discussing obvious BS? How about we refrain from posting anything that is from a "Pravda v2.0" source?

^ This. ^
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Unread post10 Jan 2018, 01:06

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ve-444636/

“We have to stop thinking like the champion and start thinking like the contender,” Lt Gen Mark Nowland, who handles operations, told an audience on Capitol Hill on 4 January “Our competitors are not only imitating us, they’re improving upon what we’ve done.”
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Russia has gained valuable information operating in a contested airspace alongside the US over Syria and are incorporating those lessons in their strategy, says Lt Gen VeraLinn Jamieson, the USAF’s ISR chief.
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“Our adversaries are watching us,” she says. “The skies over Iraq and specifically Syria have really just been a treasure trove to see how we operate. We also know we’re watched when we conduct operations off various coasts and also over the Korean peninsula.”


This is nothing new. However are possible adversaries able to duplicate and counter the "secret sauce" of NATO and US Air Power?

As USAF CoS Gen Goldfein put in during a question session of CSIS forum
What's the network that we will be up against between the family of systems that we are going to bring to bear
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