Open mission systems for F-22 ?

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Unread post05 Nov 2016, 19:00

http://www.armed-services.senate.gov/im ... -08-16.pdf

The F-22 Raptor is the only operational U.S. fighter currently capable of operating in highly contested environments. F-22 attributes of stealth, super cruise, integrated avionics and sensors combine to deliver the Raptor's unique operational capability. F-22 modernization is required to counter advancing threats that specifically target F-22 capabilities. Focused on maintaining operational superiority against the evolving threat, the FY17 budget request for F-22 modernization includes $457.9M in RDT&E in addition to $354.3M in procurement. Increment 3.1 fielding continues, delivering advanced air-ground capabilities including Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) ground mapping, threat geolocation, and Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) I carriage. Increment 3.1 is scheduled to complete in FY18. Increment 3.2A is fielding concurrently with Increment 3.1, delivering critical electronic protection and combat identification upgrades. Increment 3.2B remains on track to field in 2018, and will deliver AIM-120 D and AIM-9 X missile capability and significantly-improved ground threat geolocation. The FY17 budget also implements open mission systems—the essential, common enabler for three new programs that accelerate development, integration and fielding of 5th-5th / 5th-4th communications interoperability, helmet-mounted weapons cueing & GPS M-Code upgrades on the F-22.

I was a little surprised that the plan to install open system architecture didn't generate any news
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Unread post07 Nov 2016, 17:45

Dumb question..

Since we have so few F-22's for the air superiority mission (and more and more F-35's coming on board), why are we allocating more $ to air-to ground weaponry/avionics for the F-22?

Should we not be putting that money toward other air to air capabilities, or at the very least using it to accelerate the Scorpion helmet, AIM-120D/9x integration? Would seem to be a much more logical roadmap..
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Unread post07 Nov 2016, 18:13

mixelflick wrote:Dumb question..

Since we have so few F-22's for the air superiority mission (and more and more F-35's coming on board), why are we allocating more $ to air-to ground weaponry/avionics for the F-22?

Should we not be putting that money toward other air to air capabilities, or at the very least using it to accelerate the Scorpion helmet, AIM-120D/9x integration? Would seem to be a much more logical roadmap..


With a low RCS (some reports have it lower than the F-35) and a load of 8 GBU-39's internally I think the raptor has the potential to be a potent SEAD weapon. I would rather see a purpose-built UAV for this mission set though.

HMCS could have added a long time ago, but the program was already overbudget and focus was obviously on having the Raptor kill the majority of it's prey BVR. I don't think the -9X/ HMCS combo will do much for the Raptor honestly, it amounts to one extra parlor trick in an already unlikely scenario. The proposed Air to Ground upgrades expand it's operational utility more significantly.
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Unread post09 Nov 2016, 11:49

F-22 doesn't have the sensor suite to support prompt strike against relocatable/mobile targets, there had been some ideas over the years but in the end GPS guided bomb is all it could handle. For SCUD hunting deep behind line it lacks the range anyways. In an ideal world you'd dream up a F-22 with mission system largely common to F-35, interoperable and fully capable of multimission, took the variable cycle path of F120 while maintaining about the same weight(F-22 took some weight penalty for cost by using less composite AFAIK). To use F-22 as pure air superiority and non-realtime ISR is a bit of a wasted potential, but it's too late to worry about all that.

Now for upcoming PCA the threshold combat radius is probably 1500nm+ just to stay away from the most dense inner, dense ISR-Strike coverage in the western Pacific. Plus a few legs of inflight refuel if you want to go deeper with LRS-B. Forward deployed tactically fighters are no longer survivable even with hardening, dispersion and relocation. Whatever you do it's going to chew into your sortie rate hard. It could be a FoS with some different flavors of manned-unmanned teaming. In all likehood internal payload has to go up as well. I just don't see a supercruising 9G+ fighter anymore, it's gonna be a subsonic flying wing if anything. That thing, is presumably gonna be built from ground up to be interoperable with JSF, LRS-B, some penetrating ISR platform, AWACS from ground up without any relay required.
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Unread post09 Nov 2016, 13:49

mixelflick wrote:Dumb question..

Since we have so few F-22's for the air superiority mission (and more and more F-35's coming on board), why are we allocating more $ to air-to ground weaponry/avionics for the F-22?

Should we not be putting that money toward other air to air capabilities, or at the very least using it to accelerate the Scorpion helmet, AIM-120D/9x integration? Would seem to be a much more logical roadmap..


Likely because there isn't any air force in the world which would last long against current force of F-22s and F-15s in air-to-air combat even with current weapons and systems. It's likely that they'd be out of targets pretty quickly. There will also be more likely need for air-to-ground capability than air-to-air capability in most likely scenarios. Of course it will not be F-35 in air-to-ground capabilities, but I see F-22 being very useful in many scenarios.

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