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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 23 Feb 2010, 22:32
by singularity
You know, what I find to be laughable is that Russkie fan boys believe the bullsh!t that they spew!! "blah blah blah, our A/C can shoot down an F-22 at 1XX km away with a .22 cal rifle.." The poor believers "wow! I cant believe it! Su-30 blah blah blah is so amazing!" here is an example of fine russian story telling: http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancou ... oly,221408

Given the fact that Putin himself is involved only says so much about their credibilty.

Re: RE: Re: RE: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2010, 14:06
by wrightwing
dokhla wrote: In dog fight the Mki holds an advantage, it has true super manueverability.

As does the Raptor, which has higher sustained/instantaneous turn rates, T/W ratios, ceiling, acceleration, etc..
Now when the F-18SH block 2 could get a gun kill on the f-22 i am sure the Mki wont have any problem.

If you'd care to read about that "gun kill" you'll note that the F-18 pilot violated the ROE for the exercise, and the F-22 pilot had already disengaged. Hardly a conclusive outcome to say the least.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2010, 14:25
by shep1978
singularity wrote:You know, what I find to be laughable is that Russkie fan boys believe the bullsh!t that they spew!! "blah blah blah, our A/C can shoot down an F-22 at 1XX km away with a .22 cal rifle.." The poor believers "wow! I cant believe it! Su-30 blah blah blah is so amazing!" here is an example of fine russian story telling: http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancou ... oly,221408

Given the fact that Putin himself is involved only says so much about their credibilty.


I recall vividly when the Su-35 was shown to the public many children on various aviation sites were claiming it could easily take on the F-22 as the Russsians had said it was more than a match for the F-22... :roll:
I still laugh to myself about it because if the Flanker was so superior to the F-22 than why on earth were they pinning all of their hopes (and dreams) on the PAK-FAG?
:lol: :wink:

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2010, 22:49
by singularity
LOL....wasn't the Flanker supposed to be a match for the F-15....

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 25 Feb 2010, 00:45
by henshao
How about the F-15 ACTIVE vs a non-stealthy F-22? Wouldn't this be the exact same argument? Or how about the F-102/105/106 vs the F-15? Same argument again?

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 25 Feb 2010, 02:52
by delta-shred
henshao wrote:How about the F-15 ACTIVE vs a non-stealthy F-22? Wouldn't this be the exact same argument? Or how about the F-102/105/106 vs the F-15? Same argument again?


Dude...how about a P-51 vs a F-22! Can someone say Gun kill!?!?!

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 25 Feb 2010, 03:16
by singularity
delta-shred wrote:
henshao wrote:How about the F-15 ACTIVE vs a non-stealthy F-22? Wouldn't this be the exact same argument? Or how about the F-102/105/106 vs the F-15? Same argument again?


Dude...how about a P-51 vs a F-22! Can someone say Gun kill!?!?!


No way man, my uncle shot down a F-22 last week with his BB gun! Pfft, the P-51 wouldnt waste its time on an F-22 :shock:

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 25 Feb 2010, 19:37
by Scorpion1alpha
singularity wrote:here is an example of fine russian story telling: http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancou ... oly,221408


:lmao:

Oh man, I know this is off topic but man, that had me laughing hard!

What the hell is a "Platinum Medal"?!? Plushenko wins the silver medal at the Vancouver Games but somehow he thinks he deserves this all-elusive "Platinum Medal" so he awards it to himself?!?

Vanity and delusion at its finest.

Re: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 10 Aug 2019, 17:17
by zero-one
Biased but very informative, just take it with a grain of salt. It isn't exactly against the F-22, they focused more against another Stealth aircraft, the J-20

-J-20 was tracked the whole time while flying in the Himalayas (17:30 mark)
Onwards they talk about how the Su-30MKI is far superior to the J-20 and the Rafale only makes the IAF overkill.

-Su-30MKI is now equipped with a "better" AESA radar compared to the J-20 (18:08

Re: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 11 Aug 2019, 06:42
by skyward
Don't really matter what radar they have on the su-30mki, till they have better long range missile then what they have right now.

Re: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 11 Aug 2019, 09:00
by zero-one
They're about to get the Meteor which is claimed to be the best BVRAAM in the world. And I would agree to an extent.
But again, No kills have ever been successful at close to max missile ranges. Kills have always been made within 50km,

IIRC, most BVR kills are within 15 Km. So the question should be, what is the best weapon for engaging targets within the 50km bubble. Stealth vs Stealth and/or a highly ECM saturated environment will only make this harder.
The video shows what India thinks of their Su-30s,

Couldn't help but cringe when the guy said it was the most maneuverable aircraft in the world, only the Su-35 was slightly better and that the Canards are used to reduce drag and increase lift.... Are those canards lift loaded when in idle position, do they create lift when turning? how about trim drag, I suppose the Canards create them too right? Any clarification would be appreciated.

I think a Su-27 SM3 which has the same engine and no canards will be more maneuverable specially in the high subsonic area. So will a Typhoon, F-15C, F-16C, F-35 and F-22, I'm still waiting for Sprts's latest assessment before I make a conclusion.

The MKI's TVC is manually operated, so I guess the pilot can choose to use it whenever he wants, but doing so will make i loose speed and drop like a rock,

Re: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 11 Aug 2019, 10:05
by swiss
zero-one wrote:-Su-30MKI is now equipped with a "better" AESA radar compared to the J-20 (18:08


The Su-30 MKI as PESA not a ASEA Radar.

Re: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 11 Aug 2019, 11:01
by zero-one
swiss wrote:The Su-30 MKI as PESA not a ASEA Radar.


Thats also what I thought
But if you watch the video and go to the time stamp I posted, you'll hear them say it.
They even said the Su-30 "used to have a passive radar system"

Re: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 11 Aug 2019, 11:06
by juretrn
Pretty sure they still have the same old Bars radar, the AESA is an option for the future Super-30 upgrade, as they're calling at the moment.

Re: F-22 vs Su-30MKI

Unread postPosted: 11 Aug 2019, 15:52
by mixelflick
How the latest skirmish went down between PAK F-16's and Indian MKI's should tell you all you need to know...

The F-16's fired off their AMRAAM's and the MKI's had to go defensive to evade. They did not return fire, probably because they either couldn't find or couldn't hit the F-16's with their current missiles. That's the best case scenario, if you're rooting for India. The worst case is the PAK claim of downing one of those MKI's is true.

Either way, it was a terrible showing for the supposed MKI "Super-fighter". India knew it too, because they're hot on radar and weapons upgrades, to make sure this doesn't happen again. They also sacked whoever was in charge of the air war, and the Indian PM made sure to mention how the whole fiasco under-scored how badly they needed the Rafale. Sure, there's probably some politics at play there, but still - couldn't have inspired too much confidence in the MKI community.

So if the MKI got out-punched by some export variant of the F-16, how's it going to do against the F-22 again? The answer is rather obvious. India would be much better served to pursue the F-35, it's only true hope of countering the Chinese J-20 (and perhaps JC-31)...