F-22 vs. Rafale dogfight

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Unread post18 May 2019, 14:45

wil59 wrote:
youda008 wrote:Links! Not enough LINKS!

11 pages (another 20 in another thread) of some forums users claiming this and that about what happened between the F-22 and Rafale and almost not a single link to a source.

Even rafale pilots accept these facts, while some forum players don't.

Open your eyes and look at all the sources say it is 5 draw and 1 win!

There are other FRENCH sources claiming that F-22 used gun to kill the Rafale at least twice without much difficulties

I have other french sources claiming that the F-22 "come out on top for most dogfight situations against rafale"

Stop trolling. This garbage was debated ad naseum and the French sources admitted the pictures were not from the 1v1s.

In all seriousness this subject has been discussed, dissected, and analyzed so much


You know, all these sentences are completely useseless, because without the link it's just "someone on the internet said".

When somebody comes to you in 2019 and says "I just saw a video where Rafale defeated F-22, damn that F-22 is useless.", you have nothing to show him, because all the guys on the forums do is talk about it, without actually backing up their claims.

I've spent nearly 3 hours googling information about the incident and only things i found were several misleading populistic articles from some bloggers and newspapers contradicting each other and hundred-pages threads on forums like this, full of "It's clear what happened, ALL THE SOURCES state that ..." without any usable link.

What a waste of time.
troller is exactly what you do, all sources say 5 tie, 1 defeat, 1 contested victory (video). But that does not matter its date of 2009! . Your first message and you already troll on a plane !. Go to sleep, its going to rest the few neurons that you have.


No french source claims that video as a victory, because F-22 appears in the front hemisphere of Rafale for only 29 seconds in a video that lasts 3 minutes. What happened for the rest of the time? French people won't let us know.
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Unread post13 Jun 2019, 15:16

It not considered as a victory because FOX2 were not allowed. Who cares? The video is just there for the show.
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Unread post13 Jun 2019, 21:03

prof.566 wrote:It not considered as a victory because FOX2 were not allowed. Who cares? The video is just there for the show.

They weren't practicing missile shots. The only chance the Rafale has versus a Raptor, is a guns only fight. If they allowed missile shots, there wouldn't have been any ties.
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Unread post13 Jun 2019, 21:24

If they allowed missile shots, there wouldn't have been a fight.
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Unread post14 Jun 2019, 10:07

In the end we have a rare video about dogfight we should just enjoy. Should be the only impotant thing. Always remember that rule : the winner of a fight is the one that shouts the louder in debrief room.
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Unread post16 Jun 2019, 03:26

Remember one thing: Other french sources say something that contradicts French air force' s "1 lose, 5 draw" claim:
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At least 2 victories for Raptor, without much difficulties.
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