F-22 vs. Rafale dogfight

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Unread post10 Oct 2017, 00:26

AETC jets at Luke with LF codes seem to be either Block 25 or the slightly worse Block 42 bearing in mind this was back in July 2008, the French may have gone to Red Flag as well that year.

The video is blurry but one shown could be http://www.f-16.net/g3/f-16-photos/albu ... 65/84-1243 -

This has comments from 309 FS members so likely Block 25 - http://www.luke.af.mil/News/Article-Dis ... n-at-luke/ - no idea whether they were F-16 newbies or not though.


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PostMon Oct 09, 2017 2:41 pm

cavok wrote:
Source?
https://youtu.be/DfqJYyPevvw
Is there anything in English or an article from reputable aviation magazine? I can't understand anything in there, let alone detail about rockies and instructor pilots.
On another note, it appears to be a 2 seat F-16
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About 1 exocet (and weapon "quality, which is always disputable)
I find AM39 Exocet inferior to JSM in almost all important areas.


Hmm i think your data about exocet to be quite old... Even if JSM is moremodern (btw, Exocet is soon to be replaced by new english/french missile, can't remember the name). But the point was "doese it have A2sea capability no?

At the time of 2008, 1/7 Provence, a former jaguar flying sqd was newly formed and average pilots time was 250h. Luke pilots were instructors afaik.

Finally (i'd like to stop that contest) let's remind that F16V was dropped on technical reasons from indian MMRCA?
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Unread post10 Oct 2017, 13:13

cavok wrote:Hmm i think your data about exocet to be quite old... Even if JSM is moremodern (btw, Exocet is soon to be replaced by new english/french missile, can't remember the name). But the point was "doese it have A2sea capability no?

There isn't any newer version of AM-39 and the point isn't whether Rafale has anti ship capability, the point is Rafale will not out perform all version of F-16 in all missions.
cavok wrote:Luke pilots were instructors afaik

What is his name?
cavok wrote:Finally (i'd like to stop that contest) let's remind that F16V was dropped on technical reasons from indian MMRCA?

Let remind that it has a lot to do with technology transfer and the fact that CFT will reduce F-16 agility when installed.
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Unread post10 Oct 2017, 14:23

cavok wrote:Finally (i'd like to stop that contest) let's remind that F16V was dropped on technical reasons from indian MMRCA?


The F-16V didn't exist then and is different to the F-16IN that was offered at the time, although the F-16 Block 70 currently being offered to India might be more like the V.

The 309 FS is one of the F-16 training squadrons at Luke which is probably one reason they get the low powered jets - I'm not going to speculate on the F-16 A-A hours they had.........

FYI the F-16 Block 50/52 was the USAF primary SEAD platform since taking over from F-4Gs in the 1990s, utilises an upgraded AQS-213 HTS/STING pod - so we can safely say it was and is very capable in that mission.

To make you aware, the other advanced F-16 variant today is the F-2A that was possibly designed with a primary anti ship mission for one, with a second gen Japanese AESA radar and AESA tipped active missiles, again bit of an unknown but expect very capable.
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Unread post10 Oct 2017, 14:59

There isn't any newer version of AM-39 and the point isn't whether Rafale has anti ship capability, the point is Rafale will not out perform all version of F-16 in all missions.


You know perfectly what i was answering to.
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