Shooting down missiles with guns

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kostas29

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Unread post21 Dec 2015, 05:25

SpudmanWP wrote:Aw Hellz No..... :doh:

Ship based CWIS installed on stable platforms, large magazine, and with sensors specifically designed for it have enough of a problem doing it.

The F-22 would have to deal with a much smaller target, up to a mach 6 closing rate, a very unstable firing platform, sensors not designed for the task, and a very limited magazine depth.

The F-22 would also have to fly directly towards the incoming missile which is the OPPOSITE of what you should be doing.


Why not just use an IRIS-T missile, which has a claimed anti-AA missile capability?
http://www.diehl.com/fileadmin/diehl-de ... ighter.pdf
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Unread post21 Dec 2015, 08:10

kostas29 wrote:
Why not just use an IRIS-T missile, which has a claimed anti-AA missile capability?
http://www.diehl.com/fileadmin/diehl-de ... ighter.pdf


That missile would also have a hard time doing that. You have a limited amount of missiles and using them in a more offensive role is considered a better usage then trading missile for missile.
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Unread post22 Dec 2015, 06:13

geforcerfx wrote:
kostas29 wrote:
Why not just use an IRIS-T missile, which has a claimed anti-AA missile capability?
http://www.diehl.com/fileadmin/diehl-de ... ighter.pdf


That missile would also have a hard time doing that. You have a limited amount of missiles and using them in a more offensive role is considered a better usage then trading missile for missile.


I don't understand why it would a hard time doing that
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Unread post22 Dec 2015, 07:00

kostas29 wrote:
I don't understand why it would a hard time doing that

Size(of target) and Speed

The main thing the IRIS-T was designed for was engagements in the WVR arena, going after sub sonic high maneuvering aircraft. A BVR missiles is significantly smaller target to hit than a full size fighter and is usually traveling anywhere between mach 2-5 when it reaches it's target. It would be a really hard thing to pull off, can it do it, sure, but at what PK? At that point how many missiles do you have to fire to guarantee a kill against a BVR missiles? Most aircraft carry two IRIS-T or other WVR missiles. In a 4 vs 4 engagement you could see ripple fires of 2-3 BVR missiles heading your way. If you shoot off your 2-4 IRIS-T missiles what happens if the fight closes WVR and you have no missiles fit for that engagement arena anymore? The best possible BVR defensive countermeasure that's projected would be energy weapons, and we are a ways off from getting a energy weapon powerful enough to be turreted into a fighter aircraft, it would prob see its way to bomber size aircraft first, for SAM and BVR fighter protection.
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