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Unread post24 Feb 2020, 14:08

Unknown F-22 because it's disappearing
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Unread post24 Feb 2020, 14:27

F-22: "Hmmm. I must be at the annual geriatrics gathering in Arizona!"
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OT 068 with the real Lightning. Lightning: "You youngin. You have all these fancy gizmos and all you do is press a button and BANG, the bad guy's gone. Back in the day, we had to use cunning and maneuver and then shoot them with our guns! Yessir, those were the days!"

F-22: "Some things don't change and are not forgotten, sir."
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FF 187 with FU 756 (Hell-Er Bust X).
F-86: "Damn MiG-15s, they're everywhere! Hey Fagots, look who I brought to the fight with me!
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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 20:30

https://theaviationist.com/2020/02/25/l ... -in-qatar/

Twelve U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptors that had deployed to the Middle East at the end of June 2019 made their way home at the beginning of February. Flying as TREND 71, 81 and 91, the stealth jets arrived at Moron Air Base, Spain, from Al Udeid, Qatar, on Feb 4, 2020.

The airframes deployed were: 04-4067 FF, 04-4082 FF, 08-4163 FF, 08-4165 FF, 09-4173 FF, 09-4174 FF, 05-4089 TY, 05-4100 TY, 08-4157 FF, 08-4157 FF, 09-4189 FF, 10-4192 FF.

The aircraft were originally scheduled to return to Langley earlier but their actual trip back home was postponed amid growing regional tensions.

Interestingly, the F-22s were spotted as they overflew Israel on their way to the stopover in Spain.

The Raptor were then photographed landing and then departing again from Moron Spain, to the CONUS, by photographer David Parody.


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Unread post26 Feb 2020, 08:08

Looks like there weren't that many F-22s damaged at Tyndall (at least not to class A).

Just checked class Bs, 44 in total (only 2 each for FY 18 & 19)
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Unread post09 Mar 2020, 12:58

FF 159. Cabo...
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Unread post09 Mar 2020, 13:07

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ME4: "That's a mighty fine machine there! I'm sure glad we bought those for our Singapore Air Force!"
ME3: "Uhhh...we bought the Lightning, sir.
ME4: "Oh."
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Unread post09 Mar 2020, 13:21

Former 95th FS commander Lt Col Ron Gilbert, who previously flew F-15Cs shared this about the F-22.
The thrust is unbelievable – 35,000lb per engine. The airframe weighs about the same as the F-15’s, so you’re getting a lot more thrust to weight, and you feel it. You go into max afterburner and get pushed back even further into the seat. The g-force and pressure on your chest as you start to take off is unbelievable. Airborne the maneuverability of the airplane is unmatched compared to what the US is currently flying.

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A little example of the Raptor’s prowess in the air:
Four F-15 pilots could handle 12 adversaries, but four F-22s can handle much more. I was fortunate enough to fly in scenarios down in Vegas where there were four of us against many adversaries. We would run out of missiles and there would be still adversaries, but we still had an opportunity with the gun. Plus, with stealth technology we were able to convert and use the gun as appropriate, then ultimately say, ‘Okay we’re out of weapons, let’s get out of the fight’ and do so undetected.

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Maj Andy “Lite” Gray, former 95th FS pilot describes his favorite thing about flying the F-22:
My favorite thing about flying the Raptor is how much finesse it has. When you’re flying a clean jet there is no drag, your take off thrust that you have combined with the minimal drag when the doors are all closed and everything, it’s so sleek and smooth. It’s very aggressive. One of the most eye-opening things is the be right next to another plane and you both go into max AB and then climb together. There isn’t a plane that can out climb the Raptor in our inventory. So having that and knowing that you are the fastest and most agile thing on the block is kind of a cool and prideful thing. I can get myself out of jams sometimes if I need to because of the plane’s capability.
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Unread post11 Mar 2020, 13:57

Interesting that twice pilots referred to the F-22 as the best/better than anything "in our inventory".

It could be that being pilots, they're speaking conservatively. I believe the F-22 can out climb/accelerate all other jets, period. But these guys are also privy to intelligence briefings on Soviet/Chinese hardware. So its possible they're aware of some foreign machines that out-perform it. In any case, I don't think the J-20/SU-57 or certainly any Flanker is likely to defeat it. Like other aircraft, there's probably parts of the envelope where its marginally inferior. But think about it: We were IOC with the F-22 15 years ago. They've had 15/20 years to catch up, and it still isn't clear they have.

I also think the Raptor gets a bad rap for its legs. The Fighter Pilot Podcast episode stated that it's range on internal fuel is the same as an F-15C with two bags. Real good if you ask me, especially after they shaved almost 5,000lbs of fuel from the prototype. Those engineers really are something else...

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Unread post11 Mar 2020, 20:55

J-20 and Su-57 won't be fully competitive with F-22 until they get their intended engines (WS-15 and izd.30). Both have some aerodynamic advantage over F-22 mainly directional instability that allows smaller vertical stabilizers and better yaw maneuverability, but that's probably not something that would matter most of the time.
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Unread post11 Mar 2020, 21:31

mixelflick wrote:snip...

I also think the Raptor gets a bad rap for its legs. The Fighter Pilot Podcast episode stated that it's range on internal fuel is the same as an F-15C with two bags. Real good if you ask me, especially after they shaved almost 5,000lbs of fuel from the prototype. Those engineers really are something else...

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Think its important to keep that in perspective, in raw fuel terms, that seems impressive. 18.5K internal vs ~21.5K internal + external. BUT, there's a drag penalty for the tanks. I dunno how accurate it is but I've heard anecdotally that a rule of thumb you can use for external bags is roughly cut the fuel in half gives you a good approximation of how much is useable. So that in this example a F-15 with two bags might have a total "equivalent fuel" of about 17.5K. Still pretty good but not equivalent to the actual 21.5k. Again this is a anecdotal rule of thumb.
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Unread post12 Mar 2020, 17:00

"Four F-15 pilots could handle 12 adversaries...."

Um, really? Now I know the Eagle is undefeated/capable bird but outnumbered 3 to 1 it still excels? Wouldn't that depend heavily on who the competition is?

Four F-15's vs. 12 Mig-23's is one thing. Four F-15's vs. a dozen SU-35's is quite another. That statement is so dependent upon context, I don't know how you/anyone can make it.
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Unread post13 Mar 2020, 20:15

mixelflick wrote:"Four F-15 pilots could handle 12 adversaries...."

Um, really? Now I know the Eagle is undefeated/capable bird but outnumbered 3 to 1 it still excels? Wouldn't that depend heavily on who the competition is?

Four F-15's vs. 12 Mig-23's is one thing. Four F-15's vs. a dozen SU-35's is quite another. That statement is so dependent upon context, I don't know how you/anyone can make it.


F-15 community has routinely trained heavily out numbered like that for decades. I don't know what the threat they train to but I'm imagine its fairly robust. Nowadays the super high end threats are probably going to be delegated to the Raptors and F-35s but they (F-15 bubbas) still need to be able to deal with it.

Some of those quotes are a bit strange though. Like the comment that the F-22 is about the same weight as the F-15C. It much heavier, by 15klbs.
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Unread post14 Mar 2020, 04:20

BDF wrote:
mixelflick wrote:"Four F-15 pilots could handle 12 adversaries...."

Um, really? Now I know the Eagle is undefeated/capable bird but outnumbered 3 to 1 it still excels? Wouldn't that depend heavily on who the competition is?

Four F-15's vs. 12 Mig-23's is one thing. Four F-15's vs. a dozen SU-35's is quite another. That statement is so dependent upon context, I don't know how you/anyone can make it.


F-15 community has routinely trained heavily out numbered like that for decades. I don't know what the threat they train to but I'm imagine its fairly robust. Nowadays the super high end threats are probably going to be delegated to the Raptors and F-35s but they (F-15 bubbas) still need to be able to deal with it.

Some of those quotes are a bit strange though. Like the comment that the F-22 is about the same weight as the F-15C. It much heavier, by 15klbs.


Early one a lot of things were said and claimed about the F-22s. Some turned out to be a little over blown, some stayed true, and others remain classified. Somethings just need to come out in the wash through time and experience.
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Unread post14 Mar 2020, 04:43

How many times do we see sorties of more than 4 suks at a time? Not the Chinese. If it's not more than 4 at a time, 4 F-15s can certainly handle more than 12.

Otherwise, a good pilot can make a difference. Read epstein
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Unread post16 Mar 2020, 00:23

mixelflick wrote:"Four F-15 pilots could handle 12 adversaries...."

Um, really? Now I know the Eagle is undefeated/capable bird but outnumbered 3 to 1 it still excels? Wouldn't that depend heavily on who the competition is?

Four F-15's vs. 12 Mig-23's is one thing. Four F-15's vs. a dozen SU-35's is quite another. That statement is so dependent upon context, I don't know how you/anyone can make it.



What about four F-15's vs four J-20's or J-31's??? (let alone a dozen)
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