Polish F-16s arrived!

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2006, 06:46
by Patriot
This day is historic day

Today morning first two polish F-16 will arrive to the 31st Poznan-Krzesiny Air Base. On Thursday 9th of November will arrive two more aircrafts and on that day will take place official step into the service ceremony.

Up to end of the year in POLAF will be eight aircrafts.

There will be three squadrons (3rd TFS, 6th TFS - based in Krzesiny and 10th TFS - based at Łask)

This day is a begining of new era in Polish Air Force


Roll-out of Polish F-16C block 52 #4043 at the LM facilities in Texas. [Photo by Maciej Woźniak]


:D :D :salute:

Also see the F-16.net news article: <a href="news_article2042.html">First Polish F-16 arrive in Poland</a>

RE: Poland joined F-16 Arrived !

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2006, 09:19
by parrothead
Congratulations :D !!

If y'all still got some MiGs you could do some really good DACT, too :wink: .

Best of luck!

Re: RE: Poland joined F-16 Arrived !

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2006, 09:36
by Patriot
Yes we have Migs :wink:

Up to 2012 in service will be MiG-29, so I think there will be many occasions to arrange dogfights :twisted:

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2006, 12:50
by Scorpion1alpha
Glad to see you're excited about your minty-new F-16s. These Vipers are awesome and will serve the Polish Air Force well.

Unread postPosted: 06 Nov 2006, 18:36
by Patriot
UPDATE: First two F-16s will come on Wednesday (8th November) morning because of radar system malfunction what forced pilots to back to the US, tomorrow they will be in Germany but next day will land in Poland

Unread postPosted: 07 Nov 2006, 14:56
by Patriot
It is possible that first two aircrafts which had landed today in Spangdahlem will come straight to Poland. If that's the case, the first two Polish F-16 will land in Krzesiny AB today about 3.30-4.00p.m :D

However if they would land in Germany, they'll by tomorrow morning :wink:

p.s. I let you know when something changes

Unread postPosted: 07 Nov 2006, 17:41
by Meathook
Told ya....Glad you got them, now it is time to train and train...then train some more - happy flying

Unread postPosted: 07 Nov 2006, 22:09
by Asif
In all 2 F-16 arrived under call-sign "Retro 11 flight" at Spangdahlem AB as follows:

[serial]03-0042[/serial] F-16C-52CF JC-3
[serial]03-0077[/serial] F-16D-52CF JD-2


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4042 is photographed on the tarmac at Forth Worth, Texas during initial roll out. [SPRP photo]

Unread postPosted: 07 Nov 2006, 22:20
by Henrik
And here are the beauties... from the Fencecheck.com-forum:

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 06:27
by Patriot
Hi everybody! Today is GREAT day :D

The first Polish Vipers are expected in Krzesiny AFB arround midday :salute:

P.S. Here is a video with a Polish F-16 demo from the rollout ceremony which took place in Fort Worth on 15th of September:
http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Patriot/1186/ .

The clip is also available ay http://www.f-16.pl

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 11:30
by Asif
Seems like the 2 other F-16Cs have diverted to Keflavik due to a inflight refueling problem. I guess they will fly direct to Poland for the handover. Some sources report they may divert through the UK should they not get the problems totally fixed.

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 12:18
by shuck
Asif wrote:Seems like the 2 other F-16Cs have diverted to Keflavik due to a inflight refueling problem. I guess they will fly direct to Poland for the handover. Some sources report they may divert through the UK should they not get the problems totally fixed.


Retro 13/14 4043[/serial] & [serial]4044 fuel stop at Leuchars now. HTH

UPDATE Polish Vipers departed at 11.50 local

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 13:25
by Patriot
Yes, they didn't fly straight to Poland from Iceland, but they landed in Lakenheath AFB in Scotland - from where they took off about 1p.m. to Krzesiny - where should be +/- 3p.m.

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 13:27
by shuck
Patriot wrote:Yes, they didn't fly straight to Poland from Iceland, but they landed in Lakenheath AFB in Scotland - from where they took off about 1p.m. to Krzesiny - where should be +/- 3p.m.


Polish Vipers 4043 & 4044 departed Leuchars, Scotland at 11.50 local. HTH

Are the new aircraft going to be named Goshawk in Poland?

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 13:40
by Houston
shuck wrote:Are the new aircraft going to be named Goshawk in Poland?


It`s very likely but we will know tomorrow for sure.

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 15:12
by Patriot
First landed on 3.03p.m. second landed on 3.04p.m. :salute: I'm the happiest man in the world :D :D :D

It was something BEAUTIFUL, I'm waiting for tomorrow :twisted:

Huh... what a day :!:

Polish F-16 troubles

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 16:24
by idesof
Not a great first impression to say the least...

F-16's newly acquired by Poland forced to make emergency landing in Iceland

Warsaw - November 08
Interfax Central Europe


Two F-16 fighters brought from the US by Poland had to make emergency landings in Iceland, reportedly due to technical problems, the Rzeczpospolita wrote Wednesday.

"The American company is obliged to deliver the planes and this will happen," Defense Ministry spokesman Piotr Paszkowski told Rzeczpospolita, adding that the two machines which landed in Iceland Tuesday will probably fly to Poland as early as Wednesday.

The other two fighters of the four landed in Germany, and they will fly to Poland on Thursday for the welcoming ceremony at the Krzesiny airport in Poznan.

This is the latest hiccup, following a previous failed delivery that saw the fighters to return to the United States due to an emergency, the first time that they were sent to Poland.

The F-16s were purchased from the Lockheed Martin Corporation (LMC) with a 10-year contract signed for an offset value of USD 6.028 bln, according to the Polish Defense Ministry website. Poland is due to receive 45 fighters in total.

Polish F-16Cs on delivery (through RAF Leuchars / Scotland)

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 16:45
by ViperArtist
Two (of a flight of four) went into RAF Leuchars today for fuel and departed after a couple of hours. Heading east, I presume the aircraft will be in Poland very soon, if not already. As with many delivery flights, roundels were taped over and on the right hand side of the jets a large black USAF roundel was applied. The weather wasn't the best I've seen recently, by a brief period of sunshine appeared just as they were about to taxi!


Both Polish F-16C block 52 #4043 & #4044 just after they shut down for a fuel stop at RAF Leuchars in Scotland on November 8th, 2006. [Photo by Berry Vissers]


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4043 is seen taxiing to the end of the runway at RAF Leuchars after a brief layover on November 8th, 2006. [Photo by Berry Vissers]


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4043 is seen taxiing to the end of the runway at RAF Leuchars after a brief layover on November 8th, 2006. [Photo by Berry Vissers]


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4043 is leaving RAF Leuchars on its way to Poland on November 8th, 2006. [Photo by Berry Vissers]


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4044 is leaving RAF Leuchars on its way to Poland on November 8th, 2006. [Photo by Berry Vissers]



Cheers, Berry

RE: Polish F-16 troubles

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 17:26
by Houston
Pictures from a few minutes after landing in Krzesiny AFB, Poland

Source: http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/ ... 2.html?i=1

RE: Polish F-16 troubles

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 17:42
by Asif
Hello Berry, any chance you can upload some of these pictures to our photo gallery. It would be much appreciated

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 22:44
by ViperArtist
Asif,

Of course, no problem!

Cheers, Berry

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 23:13
by LinkF16SimDude
Don't know why but I'm definitely likin' the color and camo scheme! :thumb: :salute:

Re: Polish F-16 troubles

Unread postPosted: 08 Nov 2006, 23:26
by Lieven
idesof wrote:Not a great first impression to say the least...

F-16's newly acquired by Poland forced to make emergency landing in Iceland


Same happened with the delivery of the first Italians F-16s. The engine of one of the F-16s went into a backup control mode, which is an automatic feature if the primary fails. When that happens the pilot is required to land the plane as soon as practical.

See the F-16.net news article "<a href="news_article688.html">Italian F-16 makes emergency landing in Canada</a>".

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 02:16
by Sundowner
Houston wrote:
shuck wrote:Are the new aircraft going to be named Goshawk in Poland?


It`s very likely but we will know tomorrow for sure.

100% it will be named "Jastrząb" (Hawk) just like our pre-World War 2, PZL.50 fighter aircraft project. Our minister of defense Radosław Sikorski gave it up during interview for the press today at 1700h local time.

The whole thing is pretty weird, because we never before gave our own name to any type of military equipment... it suddenly start few years ago with adopting HMMWVs and Patria 8x8 AMV, first was named "Tumak" (Pine Marten) and second - "Rosomak"(Wolverine).

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 12:29
by Patriot
The hand over ceremony begins!

:D

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 15:33
by Houston
Polish Goshawks


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4042 & F-16D block 52 #4077 perform a fly past at Krzesiny AFB on November 9th, 2006. [Photo by Krzysztof Puziak]


Another four F-16’s are expected to arrive in Poland by the end of the year. By 2008 Poland is expected to receive forty more jet fighters.

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 17:34
by Lieven
Houston wrote:
shuck wrote:Are the new aircraft going to be named Goshawk in Poland?


It's very likely but we will know tomorrow for sure.


Today, during the official ceremony Polish President Lech Kaczynski and the First Lady christened the jets with the name "Jastrzab", meaning Goshawk (from the Old English góshafuc - 'goose-hawk').

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 19:07
by Sundowner
Ekhm, guys, "Goshawk" in Polish means, "Jastrząb gołębiarz". The F-16s were named "Jastrząb" - meaning "Hawk", short, and simple ;)
Where did you get that goshawk nonsense ?

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 20:22
by J.J.
Check out the small-sized Reuters and AP news photos on "Yahoo! News"!
Current link: http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/new ... ews_photos

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 21:06
by Lieven
Sundowner wrote:Where did you get that goshawk [...]?


From http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jastrz&#261;b

Jastrząb (jastrząb gołębiarz) (Accipiter gentilis)


Also see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/goshawk for a full list of translations

The nickname Hawk (or 'Netz') is used by the Israeli Air Force for its F-16A/B aircraft. For those interested, we also have the article: <a href="f-16_versions_article27.html">F-16 Fighting Falcon, F16, or Viper?</a> on designations, names, and nicknames of the F-16.

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 21:20
by RoAF
I believe one word can describe this guy's feelings: satisfaction

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 23:37
by Houston

PolAF F-16 block 52 #4043 is seen durin the official hand-over ceremony at Krzesiny AFB on November 9th, 2006. [Photo by Pingwin]

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 23:38
by Sundowner
Lieven wrote:
Sundowner wrote:Where did you get that goshawk [...]?


From http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jastrz&#261;b

Jastrząb (jastrząb gołębiarz) (Accipiter gentilis)


Also see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/goshawk for a full list of translations

The nickname Hawk (or 'Netz') is used by the Israeli Air Force for its F-16A/B aircraft. For those interested, we also have the article: <a href="f-16_versions_article27.html">F-16 Fighting Falcon, F16, or Viper?</a> on designations, names, and nicknames of the F-16.


Oh, I see now. I can assure you, nobody was looking at Israeli or any other country names. "Jastrząb" name for our F-16 was a winner in a public contest (BTW a friend of mine won a book in it ;) ). Unfortunately it looks like if we want to be sure if its "Hawk" or "Goshawk", we need to wait for official info from www.mon.gov.pl - and the english part of it is always few weeks behind.

Both photos belong to mon.gov.pl:

Both shots were taken from MiG-29UB '28' piloted by capt. Witold 'Ptaku' Sokól ... interesting fact is the visible Fulcrum '77' is "his" plane, the little black logo behind the canopy represent a falcon with 'Toyo' sign - a nickname used by that pilot on internet forums.

Unread postPosted: 09 Nov 2006, 23:54
by Patriot
Polish F-16s were officially named Hawk (Jastrząb in polish)

:) :wink:

Unread postPosted: 10 Nov 2006, 09:24
by Patriot
Here is yet few pictures of polish Hawk (photograps by Gregory & Gatar : )


There is no words to describe how happy I am :D

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Unread postPosted: 10 Nov 2006, 10:50
by Lieven
Allright, allright,... Hawk it is then... :)

Here's a few more pictures fo the'Hawk':



Photo shoot during the official hand-over ceremony of the Polish F-16s at Krzesiny AFB on November 9th, 2006. [Polish Ministry of National Defence photo]


Photo shoot during the official hand-over ceremony of the Polish F-16s at Krzesiny AFB on November 9th, 2006. [Polish Ministry of National Defence photo]


Photo shoot during the official hand-over ceremony of the Polish F-16s at Krzesiny AFB on November 9th, 2006. [Polish Ministry of National Defence photo]



Photo shoot during the official hand-over ceremony of the Polish F-16s at Krzesiny AFB on November 9th, 2006. [Polish Ministry of National Defence photo]


And a video: http://www.mon.gov.pl/pliki/File/f16.wmv

Unread postPosted: 10 Nov 2006, 17:43
by jetfuelstarter
On the 4 th picture it looks like the EPU pin is not installed. Is this is a new procedure ?


Photo shoot during the official hand-over ceremony of the Polish F-16s at Krzesiny AFB on November 9th, 2006. [Polish Ministry of National Defence photo]


By the way: I wish the people in Poland all the best with this pretty bird : good choice!!

Unread postPosted: 10 Nov 2006, 21:49
by J.J.
:roll:

Moscow sends missiles to Belarus after Warsaw gets US warplanes

(AFP) 10 November 2006

MOSCOW - Russia has sent anti-aircraft systems to Belarus in retaliation against the delivery to Poland of US-made F-16 warplanes, a source in the Moscow-led Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) said on Friday.

“Anticipating the arrival of the F-16s in Poland, Russia has sent to Belarus four S-300 anti-aircraft systems which have already been put into service,” according to a source at the headquarters of the anti-aircraft defence alliance of the CIS, quoted by the Itar-Tass news agency.

The CIS is made up of the former members of the Soviet Union less the three Baltic states.

The alliance was set up in 1995 by 10 CIS members (all bar Azerbaijan and Moldova) to protect the air borders of the former Soviet republics.

On Thursday Poland took delivery of the first four of the 48 F-16 fighters it has ordered from US plane-maker Lockheed Martin.

Current source link:
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArti ... world&col=


:lol:

Unread postPosted: 10 Nov 2006, 23:51
by J.J.
American-made F-16 jets arrive in Poland

By Scott Schonauer, Stars and Stripes
European edition, Friday, November 10, 2006


KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany — The first of 48 American-made F-16 fighter jets arrived in Poland on Thursday as part of a multibillion-dollar deal that is expected to bolster relations with the U.S.

U.S. Ambassador to Poland Victor Ashe and Gen. Tom Hobbins, commander of U.S. Air Forces in Europe, along with Polish President Lech Kaczynski and first lady Maria Kaczynski celebrated the arrival of the jets during a ceremony in Warsaw, Poland, on Thursday. Polish Minister of Defense Radek Sikorski along with other Polish military dignitaries also attended.

In a statement posted on the U.S. Embassy’s Web site, Ashe called the delivery an “important milestone in U.S.-Polish relations.”

But the planes almost didn’t reach the country’s capital.

Two of the four fighters destined for Poland had to turn around over the Atlantic Ocean on Monday after a technical problem in one of the planes, the Polish media reported. The planes later took off and landed at Spangdahlem Air Base in Germany. However, the other two had to divert to Keflavik, Iceland, according to www.f-16.net, a leading Web reference and news site about the plane.

Poland signed a deal in 2003 to buy the new aircraft from Bethesda, Md.-based manufacturer Lockheed Martin. The purchase is worth nearly $3.6 billion, according to the Air Force. But there are other benefits as well.

The planes will allow the Polish air force to better work with the U.S. and NATO partners, said Air Force Col. Philip McDaniel, deputy director of Plans, Programs and Requirements at U.S. Air Forces in Europe headquarters at Ramstein Air Base.

“The ability of the Poles to be able to move into more NATO-compatible equipment is key to interoperability and to being able to work with — not just the U.S. — but all of NATO,” McDaniel said. “Because, let’s face it, the F-16s are a pretty widely used aircraft here in Europe. So, we’re pretty excited about this. This is a huge step for the Polish military and the Polish people.”

Nine of the 19 alliance nations fly the F-16, including Belgium, Norway, the Netherlands, Portugal, Italy, Turkey, Greece and the United States.

The contract, dubbed the Poland Peace Sky program, includes 36 one-seat F-16Cs and 12 two-seat F-16Ds, according to a Lockheed Martin news release.

The fighter deal includes support equipment and training for Polish pilots.

The jets will replace Poland’s Soviet-era fighters. The U.S.-made planes were chosen over aircraft from both Sweden and France.

The delivery will boost the number of F-16s operated by 24 countries in the world to 4,300, according to Lockheed Martin.

Only four aircraft are expected to arrive in Poland this week. The remainder will arrive in Poland in 2007 and 2008, according to the plane maker.

Source link:
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?sec ... icle=41410[/size]


Note: "... according to www.f-16.net, a leading Web reference and news site about the plane." :thumb:

Polish F16

Unread postPosted: 11 Nov 2006, 13:20
by FALCON16
Hello F16 people,

Herewith my first pics taken at Poznan - Krzesiny MAB on 09nov06:

F16C [serial]4042[/serial]
[photo]16132[/photo]

F16D [serial]4077[/serial]

PolAF F-16D block 52 #4077 is seen at Poznan - Krzesiny AB on November 9th, 2006 during the handover ceremony. [Photo by Dirk A. Geerts]


More pics will follow from the (cold) ceremony.

Bye

Dirk

RE: Polish F16

Unread postPosted: 12 Nov 2006, 12:33
by CaptainJackSparrow
They look fantastic, gorgeous new Block 52+'s in a very smart paint scheme.

RE: Polish F16

Unread postPosted: 12 Nov 2006, 23:04
by Houston

PolAF F-16C block 52 #4042 is coming in for landing at Krzesiny AB during the official inauguration. [Photo by Estraven]


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4044 is parked in a hangar at Krzesiny AB during the official inauguration. [Photo by Estraven]


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4044 is parked in a hangar at Krzesiny AB during the official inauguration. [Photo by Estraven]


PolAF F-16D block 52 #4077 is coming in for landing at Krzesiny AB during the official inauguration. [Photo by Estraven]


PolAF F-16D block 52 #4077 is coming in for landing at Krzesiny AB during the official inauguration. [Photo by Estraven]

Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2006, 17:22
by HazF16
i dont know if someone already asked this question b/c i didnt read the whole thread but what's that small pod under the intake?

http://www.f-16.net/modules/Gallery2/ga ... alNumber=4


looks kinda like the IR sensor on the MIG-29

Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2006, 17:58
by Sundowner
it's one of AN/ALQ-178 Raport III EW system antenna, here's a photo of it on F-16 block52 from Greece:

The system was design to counter the new Russian S-300 system.

Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2006, 18:54
by Patriot
Here is a few photographs of 'hangar party' which took place on 9th of November in 31st Krzesiny Air Base after official ceremony :)

http://www.gorpol.pl/?site=92&artykul=143#powieksz

Enjoy...

Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2006, 19:30
by HazF16
Sundowner wrote:it's one of AN/ALQ-178 Raport III EW system antenna, here's a photo of it on F-16 block52 from Greece.

The system was design to counter the new Russian S-300 system.


I see...

Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2006, 22:45
by skrip00
BEAUTIFUL!!!

This'll give Polska a major boost in capacity for many years to come... heck, maybe the F-35 is in their future as well?

Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2006, 23:53
by Sundowner
I really hope so, but right now, we need to train more people, and foremost buy more Vipers, 48 is not enough - it's a tear in a sea of our needs. Especially when in 2012 those Vipers will be fully combat ready (first squadron in 2008) all of our Su22s and Fulcrums will be at scrap yard, and that will make us 83 planes short.

And there is a slight problem with armament... we will get more than 800 AGM-65 Mavericks... but not a single HARM, or any anti-ship missile.

We also lack tankers, but there is a plan for two used ex-LOT airlines Boeing 767s to be bought by PSP and converted to that role.

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 01:36
by skrip00
It takes time to bring up an entire air force to US Specs. And even more money.

I know Poland's financial situation is improving, but... how much do they have to work with in terms of recruiting new pilots/personnel, and upgrading equipment?

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 02:33
by Sundowner
The Airbases are modernized as we speak - two of them - Lask and Krzesiny should meet all NATO standards right now, others need time.

About equipment - we need few tankers, some medium-heavy transports (C-17 class would be perfect, but those are still to pricy, so we’ll stay with renting civilian An-124 Ruslans). Some C-130s are about to be delivered. For troop transport we still have An-26 and new CASA C-295.

There is also need for training aircrafts - the basic role is fulfilled by our PZL-130 "Orlik" TC-I aircrafts, some new TC-II and TC-III have to be build. There is almost no LIFT/ advanced training jet aircraft - the TS-11 "Iskra" is way to old , and the I-22 "Iryda" project ended up in the drain, so we need to buy new aircrafts, like Hawks, M-346, L-139, there was also a offer of T-38C+. But before we choose any, the decision must be made - will we still train our pilots on our own, or will we send them aboard for advanced training (like we did with the first Viper drivers).

Then comes Fighter/Attack jets, since we bought new Vipers, there is no reason to buy other type of aircraft right now, we just need more of them to replace 48 Su22s and 45 MiG29s.

But the personnel is the biggest problem of them all, we still doesn't have enough people for those 48 F-16s, it appears like the pay is still to low for those maintenance guys. For example a young sergeant - if he gets apartment from military, he have to pay the rent for it from his pay, if he have family... he need than to find a second job just to afford a good living, the military gives nothing these days.

The pilots are also a problem, but a bit different. I know one very good MiG29 pilot, he used to be also an Su22 jock, and there aren’t much of those kind of guys, he's also an acrobatic display pilot, he was on aboard mission in Lithuania. A perfect candidate, but as much he would like to fly the “Electric Jet”, he won't, because the health needs for F-16 program are so high in here, that all of those guys that are in the States right now, learning to fly the Viper, could easily attend to your NASA astronaut program. And everyone who was flying Fulcrums, pushing the limits - have something with his health (mostly some minor spine damage), they could pass USAF health exams, but not ours. If they would go for medical commission, and took all the tests, they would end up grounded for life.

I will not write about our needs in rotor crafts, and surface to air defense - that's a totally different story.

Hope I didn't bored anyone to death with this post :D

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 03:25
by skrip00
No, its fine. Being from a Polish family, its interesting to know Polska's defense needs and solutions.

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 09:36
by CaptainJackSparrow
Isn't the plan to replace the Su-22's and Mig-29's once they retire with F-35's?

This would give a pretty nice F-35/F-16 Block 52+ 'tip of the sword' so to speak.

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 13:09
by Henrik
HazF16 wrote:
Sundowner wrote:it's one of AN/ALQ-178 Rapport III EW system antenna, here's a photo of it on F-16 block52 from Greece.

The system was design to counter the new Russian S-300 system.


Sundowner and others,

The Greek F-16s are not equipped with the AN/ALQ-178 Rapport III system -that is the Turkish F-16C/D Block-30/40 aircraft that has this system!!

The Greek Vipers - all F-16C Block-30/50s and both F-16C and F-16D Block-52+s - have the AN/ALQ-187 ASPIS system and this system does not have an antenna under the inlet.

F-16C Block-30
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0675587/L/

F-16C Block-50
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1098843/L/

F-16C Block-52+
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1119301/L/

F-16D Block-52+
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1077828/L/

Greetings,

Henrik.

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 15:43
by Sundowner
Actually Houston, IIRC those are Polish Vipers, but those photos were taken in Texas before the ferry flight. I'll try to find the source later, now I'm a bit busy ;)

Henrik, yes you're right, that shot was Turkish Viper, sorry for that.

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 16:27
by Henrik
No problem, Sundowner - thanks for the photos!!

Greetings,

Henrik.

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 19:03
by Stefaan
Three photographs were removed since they were not officialy released.

Stefaan

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 20:50
by J.J.
Poland kicks off historic F-16 roll-out ceremony

by Maj. Krista Carlos, U.S. Air Forces in Europe Public Affairs

11/9/2006 - POZNAN, Poland (USAFENS) -- The first F-16s acquired by the Polish Air Force arrived at the 31st Air Base today kicking off a historic roll-out ceremony.

Gen. Tom Hobbins, Allied Air Component Commander and U.S. Air Forces in Europe Commander, represented the Air Force Chief of Staff at the hallmark event which included speeches by the Polish President, as well as a blessing of the aircraft and consecration ceremony.

"Poland's acquisition of the F-16 cements the relationship between the U.S. Air Force and the Polish Air Force for several decades to come," said General Hobbins. "This ceremony demonstrates that Poland has become a very powerful and more vital member of NATO than ever before."

The aircraft arrival marked a great leap forward for Poland as they transform from aging Soviet-style equipment to some of the most advanced systems in Europe and NATO.

"Poland's F-16s represent the most sophisticated aircraft in Eastern Europe and will serve as a military-to-military engagement magnet for forces in Europe," said General Hobbins. "These aircraft are extremely capable in any of the NATO roles, whether they're utilized in counter-air missions in the NATO Response Force, or air defense with the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan."

In addition to the sophistication aspect of the aircraft, the F-16 acquisition improves interoperability between NATO nations.

"From an interoperability standpoint, air policing will be one of the things that will be greatly enhanced as Poland brings down the MIG-29s and begins to develop operational F-16s to do that role," said the general.

To prepare the Polish Air Force for the arrival of their new aircraft, Polish pilots and maintainers trained with their American counterparts in the U.S. to learn about the F-16's capabilities.

"There is a flow of Polish pilots going through training in the U.S. right now and coming back to Poland," said Lt. Col. Eric Salomonson, 162nd Fighter Wing instructor pilot, Arizona Air National Guard. "We currently have 11 pilots training in Arizona now."

Additionally, Lt. Col. Salomonson explained the U.S. Air Force is currently helping and assisting the Polish with standing up their squadron in Poland, as well as rotating mobile training teams through to assist with aircraft maintenance.

As the Polish Air Force acquires a total of 48 F-16s over the next two years, the U.S. will continue to provide exchanges with their Polish counterparts to improve their F-16 partnerships and capabilities, continuing what our air force started decades earlier.

Story link:
http://www.usafe.af.mil/news/story.asp? ... =123031592

Associated picture:

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Original photo caption: POZNAN, Poland (USAFENS) -- Poland welcomes the first of 48 F-16s Nov. 9 during an arrival ceremony at the 31st Air Base. Gen. Tom Hobbins, representing the U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff, attended the historic ceremony that marks Poland's transformation from Soviet-style equipment to some of the most modern systems in Europe and NATO. (USAF photo by Brig. Gen. Duane Jones, Director, USAFE/A4)

Hi-res version:
http://www.usafe.af.mil/shared/media/ph ... 6C-001.jpg

POLISH F16's

Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2006, 22:27
by FALCON16
Hello,

Here they are, more pics from the arrival ceremony in Poznan-Crezsiny:
http://viper16.fotopic.net/c1137328.html

Greetings,

DIRK

Unread postPosted: 15 Nov 2006, 16:18
by Lajes
Hi all,

I was there as well, nice planes.

But, the Polish a/c do not have the systems you mentioned.

They have ITT Industries AN/ALQ-211 derived AN/ALQ-173(V) {also called ALQ-211 (V) 4} Advanced Integrated Defense Electronics Warfare System (AIDEWS). The antenna you mentioned is part of that system, likely the forward quarter jamming antenna.

Cheers, Lajes

Ps: Emitters associated with double digit threats call for a DRFM-based treatment, which these systems are sure capable of.

Unread postPosted: 14 Dec 2006, 17:11
by Patriot
Today a dozen or so minutes past 2p.m. (GMT+1) next four polish Hawks (like polish F-16s officially were named) arrived to the 31st Air Base Poznań-Krzesiny.

Up to today arrived following aircrafts:
F-16C 4042, 4043, 4044, 4045, 4046
F-16D 4077, 4078, 4079

:D

Unread postPosted: 15 Dec 2006, 14:15
by Patriot
Here yet a picture of one of Hawks (<a href="f-16_fighting_falcon_airframe-4642.html">4079</a>) which arrived yesterday

and taxing on the ground (4045, 4078, 4046, 4079)

Image

Image

(Hawks yet with covered chess boards on it's tails)

:mrgreen:

Unread postPosted: 16 Dec 2006, 02:46
by LinkF16SimDude
And......yes.....I'm still lovin' the paint job! :thumb:

Unread postPosted: 16 Dec 2006, 15:38
by Patriot
Nice and gentle ha :P ?

Unread postPosted: 19 Dec 2006, 09:59
by Scorpion1alpha
Same here. Love the Polish Viper's paint scheme! I think the Polish and the Chilean Viper's has the best looking paint schemes of all Viper operators.

Unread postPosted: 02 Feb 2007, 16:12
by Asif
3 additional Polish F-16s are routing through RAF Mildenhall today


F-16C 4047 "Retro 11"
F-16C 4048 "Retro 13"
F-16D 4080 "Retro 12"

suported by KC-135R

KC-135R 57-1453 106thARS/AL ANG wt "Blue 61"

Unread postPosted: 03 Feb 2007, 18:33
by Asif
Got some photo's

Asif wrote:3 additional Polish F-16s are routing through RAF Mildenhall today


F-16C 4047 "Retro 11"


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4047 seen taxiing out for departure from RAF Mildenhall after a stop over during delivery on February 3rd, 2007. [Photo by Matthew Clements]

F-16C 4048 "Retro 13"


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4048 seen taxiing out for departure from RAF Mildenhall after a stop over during delivery on February 3rd, 2007. [Photo by Matthew Clements]

F-16D 4080 "Retro 12"


PolAF F-16D block 52 #4080 seen taxiing out for departure from RAF Mildenhall after a stop over during delivery on February 3rd, 2007. [Photo by Matthew Clements]

Unread postPosted: 03 Feb 2007, 21:00
by Asif
Some more photos of Retro Flt's arrival


PolAF F-16C block 52 #4047 seen coming into land at RAF Mildenhall during a stop over during delivery on February 2nd, 2007. [Photo by Matthew Clements]


PolAF F-16C bBlock 52 #4048 seen coming into land at RAF Mildenhall during a stop over during delivery on February 2nd, 2007. [Photo by Matthew Clements]


PolAF F-16D block 52 #4080 seen coming into land at RAF Mildenhall during a stop over during delivery on February 2nd, 2007. [Photo by Matthew Clements]

Unread postPosted: 26 Feb 2007, 13:08
by Patriot
Hey everybody :salute: ,

I'd like do show you few pics of polish Vipers (officially HAWKs) from the latest days (just from under the AB's fence), enjoy... :wink: http://forum.3elt.com/viewtopic.php?t=1134&start=180

Unread postPosted: 24 May 2007, 23:15
by Patriot
Yesterday (means Thrusday) arrived next four polish F-16s 8) side numbers 4052[/serial], [serial]4053[/serial], [serial]4076[/serial], [serial]4082
There are now 19 Vipers in the nest. 3rd TFS is already completed, the 6th TFS have three aircrafts.

Unread postPosted: 26 Jul 2007, 19:28
by Patriot
Today few minutes after 3p.m. GMT (4p.m. local time) next four polish Vipers arrived to their home Base In Krzesiny AFB near Poznań City. The aircrafts arrived today: three C version 4054, 4055, 4056 and one D version 4083. So we have already 23 birds in the nest :cheers:

greetings

Unread postPosted: 02 Aug 2007, 05:56
by Scorpion1alpha
Hey Patriot. If you can get some firsthand feedbacks on how your Air Force is liking your new Vipers, that would be a good read.

Unread postPosted: 02 Aug 2007, 09:12
by cmcd
Can anyone say when the vipers, I mean Hawks, are going to start operating at Lask?

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2007, 19:39
by Patriot
cmcd wrote:Can anyone say when the vipers, I mean Hawks, are going to start operating at Lask?

January/February 2008

Unread postPosted: 20 Nov 2007, 15:08
by shuck
Patriot wrote:Today few minutes after 3p.m. GMT (4p.m. local time) next four polish Vipers arrived to their home Base In Krzesiny AFB near Poznań City. The aircrafts arrived today: three C version 4054, 4055, 4056 and one D version 4083. So we have already 23 birds in the nest :cheers:

greetings


What were the arrival call-signs for this delivery please.

Unread postPosted: 20 Nov 2007, 15:12
by shuck
Has 4041 been delivered to Poland yet?

4041

Unread postPosted: 20 Nov 2007, 17:27
by raameagle
Shuck,

I think this might be one of the two currently at Lajes?

Regards

Mark

RE: 4041

Unread postPosted: 27 Nov 2007, 19:58
by DanW
Anybody knows what is going on with these 2 Vipers at Lajes? There is some rumor that 4061 came in with a emergency on his gear.

RE: 4041

Unread postPosted: 11 May 2008, 23:15
by Asif
The News.pl wrote:More F-16 fighters land in Poland

Created: 09.05.2008 11:14
Four F-16 fighters, part of the Polish-US offset deal, have landed on the Krzesiny military airport, western Poland.

"The flight from the USA had no problems, the weather was fine. The aircrafts had a refueling stop in the Azores," spokesman of the military base Waldemar Krzyzanowski told Polish Radio Merkury.

The four planes need to go through customs procedures as well as a careful check-up. Later on, they will be used for pilots training.

Poland purchased 48 F-16s from Lockheed Martin as a part of a multi- billion dollar offset deal signed in 2002. So far the US delivered 41 aircrafts, more planes are expected in the summer. (jm)

Source: http://www.polskieradio.pl:80/thenews/news/?id=82000


Does have anyone have the serials of this latest delivery?

Unread postPosted: 23 May 2008, 18:28
by damian
There were 4067[/serial], [serial]4068[/serial], [serial]4069[/serial] and the last D for Polish Air Force [serial]4087
Here are two photos of 4067
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Poland-- ... 1356487/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Poland-- ... 1356024/L/

Unread postPosted: 06 Jun 2008, 09:26
by Scorpion1alpha
Nice!

Unread postPosted: 07 Jun 2008, 20:01
by damian

Unread postPosted: 16 Jun 2008, 20:07
by damian
All new delivered F-16 before going through customs at sunset

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Poland-- ... id=1361776

and the last F-16 D delivered to Polish Air Force

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Poland-- ... id=1364525

Unread postPosted: 30 Jul 2008, 12:56
by damian
New delivered F-16 with U.S. Air Force signs.
Image

Unread postPosted: 17 Dec 2008, 20:21
by Bjorn
Anyone has an idea of the delivery setup of the last 7 Polish vipers?

4040, 4070, 4071, 4072, 4073, 4074, 4075

Delivery date of the last batch of 3 was December 11th, 2008. Another batch of 4 was spotted at Lajes on September 9th, 2008. One of those was 4073.

Greets,

Unread postPosted: 17 Dec 2008, 23:17
by Asif
Bjorn wrote:Anyone has an idea of the delivery setup of the last 7 Polish vipers?

4040, 4070, 4071, 4072, 4073, 4074, 4075

Delivery date of the last batch of 3 was December 11th, 2008. Another batch of 4 was spotted at Lajes on September 9th, 2008. One of those was 4073.

Greets,


4040, 4074 and 4075 delivered on December 11th

Unread postPosted: 05 Sep 2012, 05:40
by laos
Can AIDEWS on Polish viper's be use as Harm Targeting System for Harm missile ?
Can other mix be use (ex. AIDEWS and JSOW) for SEAD/DEAD misions ?

Unread postPosted: 06 Sep 2012, 00:54
by razamanaz
laos wrote:Can AIDEWS on Polish viper's be use as Harm Targeting System for Harm missile ?
Can other mix be use (ex. AIDEWS and JSOW) for SEAD/DEAD misions ?


That's considered sensitive information in a public forum.