Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 28 Mar 2018, 14:49
by Boman
According to scramble.nl magazine, Croatia intend to buy ex-Israeli F-16's;

The Croatian National Defense Council said on 27 March 2018 that the Croation Minstry of Defense should accept Israel’s offer to supply its air force with surplus Israeli Air Force F-16s.

Last year, five countries - Greece, Israel, Sweden, South Korea and the United States - were asked to tender a new fighter in the Croation request to replace the eldery MiG-21 fleet of the Hrvatsko ratno zrakoplovstvo i protuzračna obrana (HRZ i PZO, (Croatian Air Force).

It is now said that the Israeli offer for twelve F-16s, in a contract worth USD 500 million, is the best offer for the Croation MoD.

The recommendation of the Council must now be formally approved by the Government.


Not sure if these are F-16A/B's or surplus F-16C/D's, but would assume A/B's?

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 28 Mar 2018, 21:22
by edpop
Here is an old article on what they will do with their Mig-21's.

http://airheadsfly.com/tag/croatian-air-force/

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 29 Mar 2018, 08:13
by Corsair1963
Surprising they would sell any of the D's???

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 29 Mar 2018, 08:14
by Corsair1963
I assume they would come with CFT's???

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 29 Mar 2018, 08:48
by basher54321
Seen a mixture of things - the Croatian end seems to think 10 x F-16C and 2 x D Baraks which if so could make them Block 30 (Barak II was supposed to be Block 40). Only the F-16I (Block 52) could mount CFTs that I know of - although the Barak Ds Block 30s do have a dorsal spine.

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 29 Mar 2018, 09:12
by Lieven

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 29 Mar 2018, 13:16
by xplax
As far as we know in Croatia, this is the deal, and today it is approved by out government.

Included in offering price ~ 480mil$ , and also asked in RFP(from press conference with Croatian MoD):
  • 10+2 planes on Barak 2020 standard, block 30. 10 SS and 2 DS
  • USA aa and ag missiles
  • 2 simulators
  • 3 spare engines
  • BVR compatibility (probably AIM-120 and/or Derby/Derby-ER)
  • SLEP in cooperation with LM (3000 flight hours)
  • 3 years of full support in Croatia (Israeli parts,tech and out techs training), and full maintenance support during use (15-25 years)
  • Training for our 6-8 pilots and 50 mechs in Israel
  • Infrastructure (hangar for all planes and lvl 1 + lvl 2 maintenance )
  • Free hands to buy any aa/ag missiles from Israel during usage period
  • Software support during usage period
  • Government to government deal, full guarantees

And some more stuff...

Planes are now on 4,800 flight hours, with coef. 1.6, meaning 7,680 hours. When they reach 8,000 they go on SLEP.
First 2 planes arriving 2020, 6 in 2021 and 4 in 2022.

We are jumping from 2nd gen ex-Soviet Mig-21 to 4th gen west F-16 Barak 2020 Block 30, so we need to build whole system.

Gripen C/D MS20 offer was without armament, without government to government deal, and without this long support and many other things. Price was around 1.2 billion$

USA offer for Block 70/72 was way too costly for us, around 1.6 billion$, without armament

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 30 Mar 2018, 12:09
by Lieven
Thank you xplax for sharing those details!

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 30 Mar 2018, 13:21
by popcorn
A big step up for Croatia.

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 30 Mar 2018, 14:28
by airbarba
XPLAX

"10+2 planes on Barak 2020 standard, block 30. 10 SS and 2 DS
USA aa and ag missiles
2 simulators
3 spare engines
BVR compatibility (probably AIM-120 and/or Derby/Derby-ER)
SLEP in cooperation with LM (3000 flight hours)
3 years of full support in Croatia (Israeli parts,tech and out techs training), and full maintenance support during use (15-25 years)
Training for our 6-8 pilots and 50 mechs in Israel
Infrastructure (hangar for all planes and lvl 1 + lvl 2 maintenance )
Free hands to buy any aa/ag missiles from Israel during usage period
Software support during usage period
Government to government deal, full guarantees"

Does it mean

no Israeli Avionics?
no Spice,Delilah,GBu 15 and JDAM programing
HMCS by ELBIT,Lithening TGP?


I was pleased to see that deal is done but without Israeli Avionics and all mentioned above,not so sure anymore as they will be nothig better than standard BLK30 C/Ds with more power and stronger landing gear?

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 30 Mar 2018, 16:13
by xplax
@airbaba

They are and will stay on Barak 2020 standard.

-no Israeli Avionics?
Stays same as current Barak 2020.
-no Spice,Delilah,GBu 15 and JDAM programing
For a/g armament, what we buy, that we get.
-HMCS by ELBIT,Lithening TGP?
Stays same as current Barak 2020.

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 01 Apr 2018, 13:26
by Boman
Will be interesting to see what color scheme will be chosen?

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 01 Apr 2018, 13:31
by juretrn
Boman wrote:Will be interesting to see what color scheme will be chosen?

Low chance:
Image

High chance:
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Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 02 Apr 2018, 10:15
by Boman
My thoughts exactly @juretrn - will be nice to see a Viper with black antiglare panel in front of the cockpit 8)

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 02 Apr 2018, 12:18
by airbarba
Most likely NATO grey as by Mig 21 bis.

Here is edited fiction skin from Falcon BMS sim. :D

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 03 Apr 2018, 17:29
by saberrider
Boman wrote:My thoughts exactly @juretrn - will be nice to see a Viper with black antiglare panel in front of the cockpit 8)

:P No need to have black antiglare panel in front .

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 03 Apr 2018, 17:57
by Boman
No need, but looks cool :twisted:

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 17 May 2018, 13:57
by zabman
I was hoping they would have chosen a LM support package. I'd of paid people to get on this program!

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 04 Aug 2018, 01:51
by basher54321
Three F-16D Block 30 land in Zagreb Croatia on 2 August 2018

http://hr.n1info.com/a321665/English/NE ... -time.html



F-16D_B30_Zagrab2018-1.jpg


F-16D_B30_Zagrab2018-2.jpg


F-16D_B30_Zagrab Croatian Minister 2018-3.jpg


Image

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 04 Aug 2018, 21:04
by Boman
Stoked wondering how the markings will be in Croatian service

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 14 Aug 2018, 18:20
by basher54321
The Croatian Ministry of Defence (MoD) invited the Israeli Air Force (IAF) to visit Croatia on 2-5 August as it negotiated the purchase of F-16 combat aircraft from Israel.
The potential deal reflected Croatia’s growing sign of support and friendship with Israel, with the arrival of three F-16Ds from the IAF’s 109 Squadron.
It is not known whether the visiting aircraft will be included in the possible upcoming purchase, but the IAF’s visit to Croatia ended with two Israeli F-16Ds taking part in the fly-by during Croatian Victory Day in Knin, an event celebrating the 1995 operation ‘Storm’, which every year strains relations between Serbia and Croatia.
Croatia is under public pressure to field a new fighter following the first flights carried out by Serbia in late July of its MiG-29s donated by Russia in October 2017. As such, the IAF’s visit to Croatia can also be seen as a public relations exercise to counter Serbia in the fighter arena amid negotiations between Croatia and Israel following the 29 March decision to procure 12 used F-16s from Israel.


https://www.janes.com/article/82308/cro ... an-mig-29s

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 03 Sep 2018, 20:25
by peacepuma
mismos F-16 ofrecidos a Colombia hace un par de años atrás, obviamente si se les puede llevar a un MLU M5.2 tape o superior sera buena compra..., otra cosa seria si Israel ofreciera un paquete de upgrade para los halcones de pelea

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 02 Dec 2018, 16:07
by airbarba
Boman wrote:Stoked wondering how the markings will be in Croatian service

Maybe like this...

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 03 Jan 2019, 18:54
by basher54321
(ZAGREB, Croatia) — Croatia urged Israel on Thursday to overcome a rare disagreement with the United States and to confirm it can carry through on a deal to sell 12 used American-made fighter jets.

Croatia’s Defense Ministry said it needed an answer from Israel by Jan. 11 or the Balkan country’s $500 million order for a dozen F-16 aircraft would be cancelled.


http://time.com/5493129/israel-us-sell- ... s-croatia/

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 04 Jan 2019, 06:10
by boilermaker
basher54321 wrote:(ZAGREB, Croatia) — Croatia urged Israel on Thursday to overcome a rare disagreement with the United States and to confirm it can carry through on a deal to sell 12 used American-made fighter jets.

Croatia’s Defense Ministry said it needed an answer from Israel by Jan. 11 or the Balkan country’s $500 million order for a dozen F-16 aircraft would be cancelled.


http://time.com/5493129/israel-us-sell- ... s-croatia/

Given Mattis blocked the deal and now left, Jan 11 is not a deadline Israel can keep as there will be no Sec of Defense by then to give the nod

Re: Croatia set to buy ex-Israeli F-16's

Unread postPosted: 07 Jan 2019, 02:54
by aonestudio
Israel to Croatia: F16 sale cancelled because of U.S. objections 01.06.19

Israel will not be able to complete the F16 deal which was signed with Croatia last March, following Washington's restrictions on the sale deal, according to reports Sunday.

Defense Ministry Director-General Udi Adam and Michel Ben-Baruch, the head of SIBAT, the International Defense Cooperation Directorate of the Israel Ministry of Defense, are scheduled to visit Croatia this week and inform the Croatian Ministry of Defense that the deal is cancelled.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 45,00.html