F-16 and Cessna collide over South Carolina

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Unread post20 Jul 2015, 00:29

JetTest wrote:And you felt the need to repost that direct quote from the above report, why?


If you had actually read through the thread, you would see that he was confirming that the aircraft he spotted and took photo's of, was indeed the F-16 involved. Maybe you should read the thread...
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Unread post20 Jul 2015, 00:35

dlaf16wssm wrote:i'm not smart enough to even begin to formulate what might have happened so I ask the subject matter experts here to shed some light on what the following NTSB prelim means to you:


Without quoting the already quoted report for the reply...to me it means that the IFR F-16 was taking instruction from controllers. The VFR Cessna was not. 34 seconds roughly to the merge...the controller IMO could have been much more specific given the situation. I'm a little surprised that the controller had the F-16 descend so low, so far out. But I don't know the published procedures for that area, but it seems very low to me given the distance. I'm sure others could chime in on what they think about that.
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Unread post20 Jul 2015, 01:42

Thank you for being patient and kind. After the fact I realized I had reposted what had already been posted and discussed. I'll do better next time, I promise. But again, thanks for not flaming me too hard and being kind enough to recap it in layman's term for a banana-hanging supply-type like me.
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Unread post20 Jul 2015, 06:13

Very unfortunate accident. On other forums and sites I have seen them both blaming the Cessna pilot and the F-16 pilot, and some bad information. One poster stated that the F-16 was probably doing "300-400 knots". Well the speed limit below 10,000' in the US is 250 knots (288mph) and the crash occurred at around 1,500'. The Cessna pilot wasn't communicating with ATC nor was he required too. He was squawking 1200 so his transponder was showing up on radar and this is perfectly legit, though I myself prefer to request Flight Following more often than not so that ATC is actively looking out for traffic and vectoring me if need be but at the very least telling me where to look to see it. It's especially useful down here where I fly from Daytona Beach because of the sheer number of general aviation aircraft around, a large portion of them student pilots in training. That being said the ATC did give the F-16 pilot information on the Cessna and asked him to do a 180 if he didn't 'see' the traffic, which the fighter driver did but not as quick as some naysayers would like. He was on a heading of 260 for the airport and had turned more southerly towards a heading of 215 by the time of the accident. Perhaps if the 16 pilot was told to climb instead of U-turn it would have been a better call, but who knows.

Anyhow to me it was nobody's fault but an unfortunate scenario. The Cessna pilot was under 'see and avoid' VFR conditions but you'd be surprised what you can't see sometimes, and the F-16 pilot was on an IFR flight plan under positive ATC control and when he couldn't spot the civilian aircraft he did initiate a turn around as instructed but still the planes collided.
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Unread post21 Jul 2015, 22:45

haveblue wrote:That being said the ATC did give the F-16 pilot information on the Cessna and asked him to do a 180 if he didn't 'see' the traffic, which the fighter driver did but not as quick as some naysayers would like.


Negative. Re-read the report. The instruction was to turn left to 180 if he didn't have the traffic.
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Unread post25 Jul 2015, 12:49

I'd like to get the forum's take on this article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ky/397880/

Thanks!
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Unread post25 Jul 2015, 12:58

And here's a follow-up article where the author discusses a rebuttal he received from a retired Viper driver:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... sh/399437/
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Unread post28 Nov 2016, 14:39

http://abcnews4.com/news/local/mayday-m ... -16-cessna

'Mayday mayday mayday' - NTSB releases report from fatal F-16, Cessna crash

2016/11/02

Those were the words of an U.S. Air Force F-16 pilot, seconds after the jet collided with a private Cessna over Moncks Corner on July 7, 2015.
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Unread post15 Jun 2018, 11:40

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/fam ... 0d33a.html

Family gets $6.8 million in lawsuit over fatal mid-air plane crash in Moncks Corner

2018/05/18

The lawsuit filed last year alleged air traffic control personnel with the Federal Aviation Administration failed to take action and provide "clear, concise standard" instructions to the Air Force pilot until a collision between his F-16 fighter jet and the Cessna was imminent.
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