F-16 and Cessna collide over South Carolina

checksixx · by **checksixx** » 20 Jul 2015, 00:29

JetTest wrote:And you felt the need to repost that direct quote from the above report, why?

If you had actually read through the thread, you would see that he was confirming that the aircraft he spotted and took photo's of, was indeed the F-16 involved. Maybe you should read the thread...

checksixx · by **checksixx** » 20 Jul 2015, 00:35

dlaf16wssm wrote:i'm not smart enough to even begin to formulate what might have happened so I ask the subject matter experts here to shed some light on what the following NTSB prelim means to you:

Without quoting the already quoted report for the reply...to me it means that the IFR F-16 was taking instruction from controllers. The VFR Cessna was not. 34 seconds roughly to the merge...the controller IMO could have been much more specific given the situation. I'm a little surprised that the controller had the F-16 descend so low, so far out. But I don't know the published procedures for that area, but it seems very low to me given the distance. I'm sure others could chime in on what they think about that.

dlaf16wssm · by **dlaf16wssm** » 20 Jul 2015, 01:42

Thank you for being patient and kind. After the fact I realized I had reposted what had already been posted and discussed. I'll do better next time, I promise. But again, thanks for not flaming me too hard and being kind enough to recap it in layman's term for a banana-hanging supply-type like me.

checksixx · by **checksixx** » 21 Jul 2015, 22:45

haveblue wrote:That being said the ATC did give the F-16 pilot information on the Cessna and asked him to do a 180 if he didn't 'see' the traffic, which the fighter driver did but not as quick as some naysayers would like.

Negative. Re-read the report. The instruction was to turn left to 180 if he didn't have the traffic.

dlaf16wssm · by **dlaf16wssm** » 25 Jul 2015, 12:49

I'd like to get the forum's take on this article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ky/397880/

Thanks!

dlaf16wssm · by **dlaf16wssm** » 25 Jul 2015, 12:58

And here's a follow-up article where the author discusses a rebuttal he received from a retired Viper driver:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... sh/399437/

dlaf16wssm · by **dlaf16wssm** » 29 Jul 2015, 04:08

And another from the same author:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/07/can-the-right-stuff-become-the-wrong-stuff/399632/

Gamera · by **Gamera** » 28 Nov 2016, 14:39

http://abcnews4.com/news/local/mayday-m ... -16-cessna

'Mayday mayday mayday' - NTSB releases report from fatal F-16, Cessna crash

2016/11/02

Those were the words of an U.S. Air Force F-16 pilot, seconds after the jet collided with a private Cessna over Moncks Corner on July 7, 2015.

Gamera · by **Gamera** » 15 Jun 2018, 11:40

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/fam ... 0d33a.html

Family gets $6.8 million in lawsuit over fatal mid-air plane crash in Moncks Corner

2018/05/18

The lawsuit filed last year alleged air traffic control personnel with the Federal Aviation Administration failed to take action and provide "clear, concise standard" instructions to the Air Force pilot until a collision between his F-16 fighter jet and the Cessna was imminent.