ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 31 Jul 2012, 11:19
by Gamera
Korea picks BAE Systems for fighter jet upgrade project 07-31-2012 09:44

Korea has selected British defense firm BAE Systems Inc. for a 1.3 trillion won ($1.1 billion) project to upgrade the country's aging KF-16 fighter jets, the state arms procurement agency said Tuesday.

Source: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/na ... 16320.html

RE: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 01 Aug 2012, 04:45
by discofishing
Anything specific about this upgrade? What AESA radar are they planning to use? Is the cockpit layout going to change? New displays?

RE: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 07 Aug 2012, 16:57
by Gamera
BAE Systems U.S.-based Support Solutions business to be the sole source systems integration contractor for upgrading more than 130 F-16s...

The work will be performed primarily at BAE Systems’ facilities in...

Work will also be conducted at the company’s aviation hangers [sic] in...

Ferrying small batches of KF-16s across the Pacific Ocean, then all over USA, forth and back, for the upgrades and tests, sound inconvenient, IMO.

And upgrading presumably all 130-odd KF-16s will take aeons, eh, years.

OTOH, stalkers, eh, photographers at these BAE Systems facilities may help fill in the F-16.net ROKAF KF-16 missing photos. XD

Source: http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F ... rce/ROKAF/

RE: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 08 Aug 2012, 03:14
by discofishing
Weren't CCIP upgrades on USAF Vipers completed in country by Korean industries? If so, wouldn't they have the capability to this locally instead of fly the birds back to the states? It does sound a bit inconvenient. If it means more US jobs, then I guess there is a bright side.

RE: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 04 Sep 2012, 11:13
by Gamera
Conflict of interest on KF-16 deal
09-03-2012 18:22

Col. Baek was responding to an allegation that Brig. Gen. Cho Bo-keun at DAPA may have been connected to the selection of BAE Systems for a $1.1 billion deal to upgrade the nation’s aging KF-16 fighter jets.
His elder brother, retired Rear Adm. Cho Boo-keun has long worked as a senior advisor to BAE.
The company vehemently denied Cho Boo-keun had anything to do with its winning the deal, while DAPA also dismissed any possibility.

Source: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/op ... 18984.html

RE: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 11 Nov 2012, 03:38
by Gamera
http://afbase.com/index.php?document_sr ... _type=desc

KF-16 #657 being painted.

(IMO, fanatic modellers' dream job.)

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Unread postPosted: 03 Dec 2012, 18:30
by glendora
Hello, I have a question about the Korean F-16 Upgrade Contract.

From: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....482308.xml&p=2


South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Agency (DAPA) chose BAE to upgrade the fighters because its quoted price—$750 million—was lower than that of rival Lockheed Martin, which asked for more than $1 billion...

Adding equipment and engineering to be supplied by equipment makers, plus local installation work, the Korean upgrade program will reportedly cost 1.80 trillion won ($1.60 billion), of which 673 billion won appears to be allocated to the radar.


The most important element of the Korean upgrade is an active, electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. This is to be selected separately by DAPA, between the Raytheon Advanced Combat Radar (Racr) and Northrop Grumman's Scalable Agile Beam Radar (Sabr).


So from AW it seems that the costs are well defined, with the total cost of the program for updating 134 F-16 being $1.60 billion, of which around one third (673 billion won) allocated to the radars to be chosen between RACR and SABR.
Well, I know that the new generation of AESA radars is less expensive then the previous one.
Nevertheless this figure sound to me a bit optimistic / too low. Is it possible that Aviation Week misunderstood in some way that terms of the contract and the contract does not yet include the radars, or the article is correct and each radar will cost just below $4 milion circa (that would be quite intersting)?

Thank you for any input on the matter

RE: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 01 Jan 2013, 17:14
by Gamera
http://blog.daum.net/rione30/17101120

Seems ROKAF AEW, F-15Ks, and KF-16s did their annual first flight of the year for 2013, but the photos in this blog article aren't hi-res enough to read tail codes. 8(

RE: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 11 Feb 2013, 08:47
by discofishing
Is BAE designing a new custom upgrade with new systems or are they just performing the upgrade work of a program that has already been done (CUPID, CCIP, F-16V, etc)? Is this just for Block 52 aircraft or will Block 32 birds be candidates for upgrade as well?

RE: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 22 Apr 2013, 17:03
by Gamera
2013/04/11

Apparently a few South Korean female singers went to a ROKAF air base of the 20th FW, ROKAF.
Note the "20" badges on their flight suits.

Can't read the serial number on the KF-16 in the photo though.

Source: http://isplus.live.joinsmsn.com/news/ar ... d=11196225

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Unread postPosted: 23 Apr 2013, 05:41
by geogen
To Gamera -

And why can't you read the serial number on the F-16 tail, sir?

Was there something distracting the view?

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Unread postPosted: 23 Apr 2013, 20:17
by neurotech
Gamera wrote:http://isplus.live.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.asp?total_id=11196225

Article dated 2013/04/11.

Apparently a few South Korean female singers went to a ROKAF air base of the 20th FW, ROKAF.
Note the "20" badges on their flight suits.

Can't read the serial number on the KF-16 in the photo though.

I wonder if those girls are within ejection limits for the KF-16?

103 Lb "nude" weight is the USAF standard with the newer seats, and I'm guessing the Koreans would have switched to the lower weight limit. I'm not sure when the USAF officially changed the requirements from 140 Lb but I'd assume in the 90s. I asked a senior female pilot and she said that she had to get a waiver for her flight, when she was a cadet, at around 130 Lb when she was 15, and still wears original NJROTC authorized flight suit. She changed the rank insignia, and keeps it for special occasions. I'm guessing she weighs around 145 Lb now and is fully qualified for both the F-16 ACES II and the F/A-18F NACES II Seats.

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Unread postPosted: 24 Apr 2013, 06:14
by Gamera
BTW, the dudettes are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9Muses

'Nine Muses, also 9Muses, is a nine member South Korean girl group under the Star Empire Entertainment music label.'

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Unread postPosted: 02 Nov 2013, 14:30
by Gamera
ADEX 2013: KF-16 upgrade to be signed off by end of year
2013-11-02
BAE Systems is working with the United States and South Korean governments to refine the plans for its upgrade of Lockheed Martin KF-16 fighters ahead of a government-to-government contract signing by the end of 2013, officials told IHS Jane's at the Seoul International Aerospace and Defence Exhibition (ADEX 2013).

Source:
http://www.avionics-intelligence.com/ne ... -year.html
http://www.janes.com/article/29132/adex ... nd-of-year
http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defen ... de-contra/

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Unread postPosted: 28 Dec 2013, 14:20
by Gamera
Korean Top Gun pilot 2013
2013/11/29

Major Kim Tae-seok of the Air Force’s 19th Fighter Wing poses Friday inside a KF-16 after being named the Top Gun pilot for 2013. The 36-year-old scored 995 points out of a possible 1,000 in an aerial live-fire contest to garner the honor.

Source: www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/20 ... 47146.html

Re: ROKAF KF-16 - 30,000 hours of accident-free flights

Unread postPosted: 13 Aug 2014, 15:37
by Gamera
Seems 155th FS of 19th FW of ROKAF, celebrated 30,000 hours of accident-free flights?

http://www.daehanilbo.co.kr/news/articl ... dxno=26071 (11 August 2014)

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 13 Aug 2014, 17:27
by Jon
Nice to get this update. Rarely hear about RoKAF squadron history.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 19 Oct 2014, 16:41
by Gamera
http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation ... 66377.html

Korea may nix BAE's KF-16 upgrade deal

2014/10/15

A military procurement official indicated Wednesday that a 1.75 trillion-won deal agreed with BAE Systems to upgrade the ROK Air Force fleet of 130 KF-16s could be nullified.

Officials refused to elaborate on how much more the two parties have asked Seoul to pay, but a report claimed that the total amounted to 800 billion won, 300 billion won to BAE and 500 billion won to the U.S. government.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 22 Oct 2014, 05:50
by geogen
Gamera wrote:http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/10/113_166377.html

Korea may nix BAE's KF-16 upgrade deal

2014/10/15

A military procurement official indicated Wednesday that a 1.75 trillion-won deal agreed with BAE Systems to upgrade the ROK Air Force fleet of 130 KF-16s could be nullified.

Officials refused to elaborate on how much more the two parties have asked Seoul to pay, but a report claimed that the total amounted to 800 billion won, 300 billion won to BAE and 500 billion won to the U.S. government.



Just curious as to what is the alternative option(s)?

Personally, I would contemplate a radical upgrade evaluation and study... to include contracting both NASA and Boeing, as well as LM(?), for an affordable and effective 8k hr upgrade path with all-new delta-wing (+ CFT) replacement (for extended loitering and endurance).

Times have changed. It's a new era. The narrow scope of protocol and thinking have passed, with respect to old-day typical upgrades et al.

It's time to get strategic, prudent and 'build muscle - cut fat'... going forward. Just my views.

Respects to Korea~

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 22 Oct 2014, 11:18
by XanderCrews
geogen wrote:
Personally, I would contemplate a radical upgrade evaluation and study... to include contracting both NASA and Boeing, as well as LM(?), for an affordable and effective 8k hr upgrade path with all-new delta-wing (+ CFT) replacement (for extended loitering and endurance).


Yes upgrading them into F-16XLs is totally possible, cheap too and on an 8K hour airframe? piece of cake! I bet they totally do it. And when I think NASA, I think "affordable"

Its so simple too!


Times have changed. It's a new era. The narrow scope of protocol and thinking have passed, with respect to old-day typical upgrades et al.


what?

So you are trying to say that upgrades have to be radical and drastic, yet affordable?


It's time to get strategic, prudent and 'build muscle - cut fat'... going forward. Just my views.

Respects to Korea~


Exactly while also maximizing paradigms to the next level of operation art. respects to engineers who could never make this work for anything less than the cost of a whole new airplane

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 29 Oct 2014, 15:01
by lamoey
BAE Systems says U.S. halted its work on F-16 upgrades for South Korea

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/us-bae-systems-southkorea-idUSKBN0II01U20141029

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Unread postPosted: 30 Oct 2014, 11:09
by thepointblank
lamoey wrote:BAE Systems says U.S. halted its work on F-16 upgrades for South Korea

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/us-bae-systems-southkorea-idUSKBN0II01U20141029

Interesting situation here. I'm reading the South Koreans aren't happy about the cost increases here, and the fact that the South Koreans are threatening to sue BAE suggests the relationship soured very quickly.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 18 Jun 2016, 16:11
by Gamera
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2016/06/16/0200000000AEN20160616009600315.html

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160616000919

Seoul arms procurement agency mismanaged KF-16 upgrade: auditor

2016/06/16

SEOUL, June 16 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's state auditor said Thursday the country's state arms procurement agency mismanaged the upgrade program for the country's KF-16 fighter jets that resulted in huge losses and delays.

The Board of Audit and Inspection (BAI) said the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) is suspected of giving favors to a certain company while breaking regulation set out by the U.S. authorities.
The amount of losses is estimated to hover around 100 billion won (US$85 million), it said.

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Unread postPosted: 07 Aug 2016, 15:17
by Gamera
http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/people ... 91780.html

Female F-16 pilot dreams big

2015/11/25

Air Force First Lt. Jin Seo-young of the 20th Fighter Wing is the nation's 19th female F-16 fighter pilot.

What makes the 25-year-old Jin special is that her mother and sister, who are retired soldiers, inspired her to become a pilot.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 17 Nov 2016, 15:55
by Gamera
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nationa ... 0315F.html

Prosecutors raid defense agency over info leak

2016/11/16

SEOUL, Nov. 16 (Yonhap) -- South Korean prosecutors said Wednesday they are investigating allegations that a military procurement official leaked confidential information on military equipment to BAE Systems, a British defense contractor.

Investigators from the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office raided the offices of the state Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) Tuesday and detained the official in charge of contracts for questioning.

"Prosecutors spotted a possible leakage of confidential information to a foreign defense industry company while they were investigating DAPA's mismanagement of a project to upgrade KF-16 fighter jets," a military official familiar with the matter told Yonhap News Agency.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 28 Nov 2016, 14:36
by Gamera
http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/english/ ... -modernize

Modernization of F-16

S. Korea’s Air Force Signs $1.2B Deal with Lockheed Martin to Modernize F-16 Fleet

2016/11/24

The upgrades are based on the advanced F-16V configuration.
Among the enhancements are an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, a modern commercial off-the-shelf (COTS)-based avionics subsystem, a large-format, high-resolution center pedestal display and a high-volume and high-speed data bus.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 26 Dec 2016, 14:34
by Gamera
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/na ... 20415.html

F-16 combat jets upgraded with bombs, missiles that can strike key N. Korea targets

2016/12/19

The completion of the upgrade enables the South Korean jets to fire AIM-120 mid-range air-to-air missiles, according to the Air Force.
The missiles have a range of 50 to 180 kilometers.

They will also be equipped with GBU-31 JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) air-to-ground guided bombs, which can hit underground military facilities and neutralize the North Korean leadership in the event of an emergency, it added.

In November 2009, South Korea inked a deal to upgrade the F-16 combat planes with Lockheed Martin Corp.
A total of around 30 jets have been improved since October 2013.

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Unread postPosted: 31 Jan 2017, 13:49
by Gamera
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/na ... 21388.html

First female directors of combat flying operations appointed

2017/01/04

The Air Force has appointed three female fighter pilots as directors of operations, the second-highest position in a fighter squadron.
It marks the first time in Air Force history of women being assigned to such a position.

The three are Maj. Park Ji-yeon of the 202 Fighter Squadron under the 16th Fighter Wing, Maj. Park Ji-won of the 203 Fighter Squadron under the 8th Fighter Wing and Maj. Ha Jung-mi of the 123 Fighter Squadron under the 20th Fighter Wing.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 03 Jun 2017, 11:34
by Gamera
("This is fun."
- Dr Leonard "Bones" McCoy)

Thursday, 1 June 2017:
KF-16D x 6.
20th FW, ROKAF, based at Seo San AB, South Chung Cheong Province, South Korea.

During flight from South Korea to Alaska, USA, for Red Flag Alaska, aerial refuelling trouble.
Diverted to and, about 9:00, landed at Yokota AB, Toukyou, Japan!

Red Flag Alaska was from 25 May to 1 July.

1 June, 5:30, in South Korea, six KF-16 took off.

https://matome.naver.jp/odai/2149628516964877301
https://twitter.com/i/moments/870070112815947776
https://twitter.com/SSR91231399/status/ ... 00/photo/1
https://twitter.com/s2f5g4/status/870857876897583104

https://twitter.com/DontendonY/status/8 ... 1197767682
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBOSzVKUIAARD73.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBOSzVLUQAAFQJc.jpg

92-032.
92-036.
93-103.
93-108.
93-115.
93-120.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37flDocFcm8

2017/06/03:
Six ROKAF KF-16D and some USAF KC-135 departed Yokota AB.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/20 ... 00315.html
https://news.nifty.com/article/world/ch ... 81-180091/
http://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/news_interna ... 02083.html
http://www.sankei.com/world/news/170602 ... 44-n1.html

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 04 Jun 2017, 16:58
by Gamera
>Thursday, 1 June 2017:
>KF-16D x 6.

https://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/hito_gata_21/ ... l#28773469

2017/06/03:
In addition to six KF-16D, at least one ROKAF C-130 also departed Yokota AB.

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Unread postPosted: 23 Dec 2017, 15:25
by Gamera
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation ... 41224.html

KF-16 pilot named this year's Top Gun

2017/12/20

Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF) 38th Fighter Group pilot Major Kim Sang-won was named as the 2017 Top Gun, the annual award for the Air Force's top ace.

According to the ROKAF, it held an award event last week for this year's air combat contest at the Air Force Club in Seoul.

During the contest, the KF-16 fighter jet pilot proved his mettle by hitting a 4-meter radius ground target from a 6-kilometer altitude and swiftly slipping through the red zone.
Kim received 995 points out of 1,000 during the contest to claim the much-envied honor.

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Unread postPosted: 25 Dec 2017, 08:11
by mtrman
Congrats. Wish him and RoKAF life-long success...

By the way, was it an LGB or JDAM targeting?

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 27 Feb 2019, 14:39
by Gamera
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/ ... 64501.html

Fighter jet crashes near Gunsan, 2 pilots rescued

2019/02/27

The two-seat KF-16D warplane fell into the sea for an unidentified reason at 12:13 p.m., 13 minutes after departing from an air base in Gunsan, 274 kilometers south of Seoul, it said in a text message sent to reporters.
The pilots immediately ejected and were rescued.

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/PYH2019022713 ... ge/general

KF-16 fighter crashes

2019/02/27

This photo, taken by a reader on Feb. 27, 2019, shows two pilots wrapped in blue towels being transported from Sinjin Port in Taean, 150 kilometers southwest of Seoul, to a hospital.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 14 Apr 2019, 17:54
by Gamera
] KF-16 fighter crashes

] 2019/02/27

https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20190311131900503

2019/03/11:
About noon, ROKN ship recovered black box(es) from crashed KF-16D.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 30 May 2019, 05:04
by Gamera
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation ... 69677.html

Seoul to keep flying KF-16s following recent crash

2019/05/29

According to the preliminary results of the investigation by a group of military officers and experts, including those from its manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, a failure in the fuel supply to the combustion chamber is believed to have caused the engine flameout.

Noting that the military has been carrying out special checkups on the jets and changed an internal filter, one of the key parts, the Air Force said the jets were found to be safe enough and are scheduled to resume flights starting Friday.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 30 May 2019, 12:02
by Gamera
(First, I don't know its serial number either.)

https://japanese.joins.com/article/900/ ... ctcode=200

2019/02/27, noon, accident KF-16D took off, from Gun San AB, Jeol La Buk Do, for flight training.
In the air, after engine flamed out, pilots twice attempted to restart engine, and failed.

13 minutes after took off, crashed into sea, 46 km west of So San, Chung Cheong Nam Do.
Pilots ejected at 3,800', and 148 knots.

ROKAF accident investigation team, USA manufacturers, and USAF experts concluded causes of stopped fuel supply system:
- Fuel pipe (that flowed into fuel pump) clogged, and air entered fuel pipe.
- Fuel pump interior clogged.
- Fuel pipe (that flowed into engine fuel regulator device) clogged.

Re: ROKAF KF-16 Update

Unread postPosted: 30 May 2019, 13:15
by madrat
Bad fuel?