pakistani f-16s vs indian mirage 2000s

Unread postPosted: 12 Jun 2007, 07:52
by falcon_sgd
first of all i`ll request all members not to take it personally and i hope that all comments will be based upon neutral judgements.
pakistan is going to have newer f-16s i.e.f.16(blk.52).how will be these planes stand against indian mirage 2000s?

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Unread postPosted: 12 Jun 2007, 22:39
by Cad
the comparation is not fair too the mirage 2000 india is using... it would be fair for the mirage 2000-5.
but i guees pak needs the f-16 block52 to counter the su-30 mki not the mirage.

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Unread postPosted: 13 Jun 2007, 09:30
by falcon_sgd
it seemed like that pak officials were never in a haste to buy new planes to counter SU-30s...during the period when pak was sanctioned and was no longer able to get newer jets,they never show the signs of any sort of problem.SU-30s would be better planes but not the best ..

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Unread postPosted: 14 Jun 2007, 11:51
by Cad
probaly su-30mki is better than anything pakistan could buy right now but the block 60 would be the best choice...

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Unread postPosted: 14 Jun 2007, 12:23
by falcon_sgd
pakistan was always in defensive position.in defensive role u may get the help of many other things and best example is SAMs.vipers of 52 blk may join with SAMs to cope with the attacking SUKHOIS.:)
these both can be sufficient for the the sukhois ,when india has not a large number of the same

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Unread postPosted: 14 Jun 2007, 14:50
by Cad
In 2000, an agreement was signed allowing the license production of 140 Su-30MKIs in India. The deal was sealed in Russia at the IAPO factory. The deal combines license production with full technology transfer and hence called a 'Deep License'.
India will eventually acquire a total of 230 Su-30MK

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Unread postPosted: 15 Jun 2007, 09:43
by Pilotasso
falcon_sgd wrote:pakistan was always in defensive position.in defensive role u may get the help of many other things and best example is SAMs.vipers of 52 blk may join with SAMs to cope with the attacking SUKHOIS.:)
these both can be sufficient for the the sukhois ,when india has not a large number of the same


SAM's never defend the same air corridor as fighters as it already demonstrated that they will eventualy shoot down firendly aircraft.

Fighters are much better defenses than SAM's. SAM's usualy work when defending against a threat wich presense has been detected from long range or in the case there arent any friendly fighters arround but the enemies.

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Unread postPosted: 15 Jun 2007, 12:21
by Cad
aparently india is williing to upgrade his fleet of mirages ( rdm-7 radar, asraam missiles, new avionics).
does anyone have information about the use of mica in IAF?

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Unread postPosted: 15 Jun 2007, 12:35
by falcon_sgd
NOT SURE.INDIA USES ITS MIRAGES FOR A-G,MAINLY.I THINK THEY HAVE MICA ALONG WITH MATRA530 OR 550 etc.

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Unread postPosted: 15 Jun 2007, 17:25
by Cad
YES they use the SUPER 530D And Magic 550 but the RDM RADAR DOES not have multitarget capability so even if they got the missile (mica) they are not able to use it efective...
not sure how good is RDM-7 RADAR ....

Unread postPosted: 24 Mar 2008, 02:04
by IndianAirForce
A lot of this not only depends on the quality of the aircraft, but also the quality of the pilot. In this modern air warfare, I doubt both aircraft will ever be close enough to have a full out dogfight. Most air to air warfare is conducted through radar and long range missiles. Both aircraft would have the chance to take each other out even before they come into a proper dogfight.

Unread postPosted: 24 Mar 2008, 02:06
by IndianAirForce
A lot of this not only depends on the quality of the aircraft, but also the quality of the pilot. In this modern air warfare, I doubt both aircraft will ever be close enough to have a full out dogfight. Most air to air warfare is conducted through radar and long range missiles. Both aircraft would have the chance to take each other out even before they come into a proper dogfight.

Unread postPosted: 27 Mar 2008, 04:18
by JochemP
Indian Mirages are Multi-role aircrafts as PAF Blk 52's, instead of launching mirages vs vipers my bet is that the Indian Air Force will give a try to the Su-30MKI's.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail and it does not go beyond this forum.

Unread postPosted: 15 May 2008, 21:25
by blain2
JochemP wrote:Indian Mirages are Multi-role aircrafts as PAF Blk 52's, instead of launching mirages vs vipers my bet is that the Indian Air Force will give a try to the Su-30MKI's.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail and it does not go beyond this forum.


Well PAF's blk 15 F-16s are also fully MR and a proper comparison of the IAF Mirage 2000s is with PAF F-16s (although I know that the avionics on the blk15 F-16s are better than those available to the IAF on their Mirage 2000s currently).

Overall the Indian version of the Mirage 2000 in its current state has been evaluated by the Pakistani Air Force quite a few times. The last time PAF evaluated it, they took a look at the Mirage 2000-5 and liked it but they like the F-16 even better because they already had the support infrastructure built out for the Viper.

The above does not take anything away from Mirage 2000 as its an excellent aircraft...by far the best purchase made by the IAF (even better than the MKIs) in my opinion when you look at flexibility, performance and availability of the French aircraft.

Unread postPosted: 28 Jun 2008, 23:11
by Aks_20
blain2 wrote:
JochemP wrote:Indian Mirages are Multi-role aircrafts as PAF Blk 52's, instead of launching mirages vs vipers my bet is that the Indian Air Force will give a try to the Su-30MKI's.

Let's hope cooler heads prevail and it does not go beyond this forum.


Well PAF's blk 15 F-16s are also fully MR and a proper comparison of the IAF Mirage 2000s is with PAF F-16s (although I know that the avionics on the blk15 F-16s are better than those available to the IAF on their Mirage 2000s currently).

Overall the Indian version of the Mirage 2000 in its current state has been evaluated by the Pakistani Air Force quite a few times. The last time PAF evaluated it, they took a look at the Mirage 2000-5 and liked it but they like the F-16 even better because they already had the support infrastructure built out for the Viper.

The above does not take anything away from Mirage 2000 as its an excellent aircraft...by far the best purchase made by the IAF (even better than the MKIs) in my opinion when you look at flexibility, performance and availability of the French aircraft.


The Mirage 2000, at its peak, if PAF had upgraded its F-16s with Sparrows etc - would have been an equivalent. OTOH, the MKI is a game changer. With its formidable radar, payload & range ability - it for the first time provides the IAF the ability to dictate the terms on which it will engage. And with 230 MKIs ordered - its going to be the biggest threat the PAF has ever faced.

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Unread postPosted: 09 Feb 2009, 20:05
by lraam
India is definitely gonna use Su-30mki to carry out anti-radiation missile attacks to destroy Pakistani medium ranged SAM s located within the close proximity of the border in case any hostility starts with Pakistan. I don't think F-16s armed with sidewinder missiles will do much harm to IAF Mirage 2000s and Jaguars armed with Matra Magic 2 missiles carrying out bombing runs escorted by bvr capable Mig 29 Baaz. India will not use Mirage 2000 as air defense fighters because they have lots of Mig 29s and Mig 21 bisons carrying out these roles. Meanwhile the only relatively advanced aircraft that PAF possess that can carry out air defence missions are f-16s. F-17s are just being inducted and they have a long way to go to prove their combat effectiveness. I think Paf F-16s taking on IAF Mig-29 Baaz for air supremacy would be a more likely scenario on the future.

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Unread postPosted: 24 Nov 2009, 00:03
by dokhla
falcon_sgd wrote:pakistan was always in defensive position.in defensive role u may get the help of many other things and best example is SAMs.vipers of 52 blk may join with SAMs to cope with the attacking SUKHOIS.:)
these both can be sufficient for the the sukhois ,when india has not a large number of the same


Defensive position??? excuse me...is Pakistan always the one picking a fight till India puts it back it in its place. Block 52 will have a hard enough time facing the mig-21 Bison, lets not even go to the MKI. our bisons, mirages and Jaguar have stealth coatings, they have rcs over 70% lower than other migs, jags and mirages. During cope India USAF f-15 pilots saw that the radar returns of these aircraft were quite different from normal.

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Unread postPosted: 04 May 2012, 00:09
by sherdils
Pakistan's answer to hindustan's Su-30 Flankers is a simple one ....... J-10B Dragon. The type is nearly completed all it's testing and is suppose to begin full-rate production. The J-10A was pitted against the Su-30MKKs and the fight was more or less a one sided affair, where the J-10As pretty much whooped Flanker's butt. Which is also the reason why China opted to abandon the Flanker procurement and developed it's own J-11B (China-Flanker).

The intended total buy of J-10B, by Pakistan would be at least 150 of the Chinese fighter-jets. Which is a sufficient amount to counter hindustan's 270 Flunkers. Plus Pakistan is also in the process of manufacturing JF-17 Thunders, 250 of them. And to top it all off, Pakistan is increasing it's total fleet of F-16s, from just 31, to now between 70 and 90 fighter-jets.

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Unread postPosted: 21 May 2012, 16:31
by duplex
The upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard, including a new RDY-3 radar which has a detection range for fighter sized targets of approx 140km - which greatly outranges the APG-68V(9) of the block 52+ and with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new night vision compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems. . As part of the upgrade, the aircraft will also be equipped with MBDA’s Mica family of medium range missiles. Hell of an upgrade I would say..

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Unread postPosted: 21 May 2012, 19:11
by Scorpion82
sherdils wrote:Pakistan's answer to hindustan's Su-30 Flankers is a simple one ....... J-10B Dragon. The type is nearly completed all it's testing and is suppose to begin full-rate production. The J-10A was pitted against the Su-30MKKs and the fight was more or less a one sided affair, where the J-10As pretty much whooped Flanker's butt. Which is also the reason why China opted to abandon the Flanker procurement and developed it's own J-11B (China-Flanker).

The intended total buy of J-10B, by Pakistan would be at least 150 of the Chinese fighter-jets. Which is a sufficient amount to counter hindustan's 270 Flunkers. Plus Pakistan is also in the process of manufacturing JF-17 Thunders, 250 of them. And to top it all off, Pakistan is increasing it's total fleet of F-16s, from just 31, to now between 70 and 90 fighter-jets.


You are quite optimistic wrt the numbers alone. Furthermore the Su-30MKK as operated by the PLAAF and the Su-30MKI as operated by the IAF are two entirely different beasts.

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Unread postPosted: 23 May 2012, 15:12
by icemaverick
Also I would always take Chinese claims with a grain of salt. They "developed" their own Flanker because the Chinese did what they're known for doing: copying other people's stuff. The J-10 and J-11 are still using Russian engines. As stated by Scorpion, the MKI and the MKK are two substantially different birds.