Su-27 vs F-16

[skyhigh]

ROCAF F-16A pilots may have the skill to knock down PLAAF J-11Bs, but it's either easy or hard, depending on the skill of the ChiCom pilots (watch out for the elite PLAAF squadrons).

[DarkDuke]

Clearly concerning the maneuverability, Su-27 is really surpass F-16.

[sprstdlyscottsmn]

okay so you are showing a 9-G chart for two non-9G (under combat conditions) aircraft and comparing the results to a true 9G aircraft. The F-15 was known for it maneuverability, yes, but it was its SUSTAINED turn performance that came from it extreamely high thrust and low wing loading. The F-16 is known for being the first 9-G fighter, with lessons learned from the F-15 that allow it to mainatain a 9-G turn and lose speed less rapidly than even an F-15, forget about the heavy Sukhoi. In a sub-400 knot sea level 2 heater only 3/4 tank of gas turnbing fight the Su might, MIGHT, get a great initial turn rate, but it will soon slow down and its turn will too. As for the chart, there is no source so its validity comes into question. I used to make charts like that years ago, and my older charts will tell you that the F-14B was the best dogfighter ever, which its not. Sukhois are very maneuverable for what they are, a long range interceptor. Nothing that weighs in at 30 tons with no weapons is a true dogfighter.

[F16guy]

DarkDuke

Your graph says Su-27 vs F-15 not F-16. Next, having actually seen the graphs used to compare jets,...this one is not accurate for either aircraft mentioned in the title, no matter what you think...did this come from your copy of a Russian flight simulator product.

Lastly, your english translator is good but still it is not entirely correct.

[callsignthumper]

LMAO GO GET EM FELLAS

[viperzerof-2]

https://mobile.mako.co.il/pzm-soldiers/ ... 281027.htm

So apparently this happened in real life and the F-16 clapped the Flanker

[zwz]

https://mobile.mako.co.il/pzm-soldiers/Article-66cb8c60204c281027.htm

So apparently this happened in real life and the F-16 clapped the Flanker

Teaser: On seeing the results of recent aerial encounters, a Chinese research institute is analyzing the overall maneuverability (sustained turn, sep, etc.) of F-15/F-16/mig-29/Su-27/FC-1 and will publish a paper in the beginning of 2023.

[viperzerof-2]

https://mobile.mako.co.il/pzm-soldiers/Article-66cb8c60204c281027.htm

So apparently this happened in real life and the F-16 clapped the Flanker

Teaser: On seeing the results of recent aerial encounters, a Chinese research institute is analyzing the overall maneuverability (sustained turn, sep, etc.) of F-15/F-16/mig-29/Su-27/FC-1 and will publish a paper in the beginning of 2023.

Besides the FC-1 don’t all those aircraft have charts in the public domain?

[zwz]

https://mobile.mako.co.il/pzm-soldiers/Article-66cb8c60204c281027.htm

So apparently this happened in real life and the F-16 clapped the Flanker

Teaser: On seeing the results of recent aerial encounters, a Chinese research institute is analyzing the overall maneuverability (sustained turn, sep, etc.) of F-15/F-16/mig-29/Su-27/FC-1 and will publish a paper in the beginning of 2023.

Besides the FC-1 don’t all those aircraft have charts in the public domain?

There is one Chinese paper available, revealing FC-1's sustained turn rate is 18deg/sec at 7999kg total flying weight.

[viperzerof-2]

There is one Chinese paper available, revealing FC-1's sustained turn rate is 18deg/sec at 7999kg total flying weight.

Can I see it? Do you know the altitude? Got anything for the J-10?

[zwz]

Can I see it? Do you know the altitude? Got anything for the J-10?

Do you speak Chinese?
https://engrxiv.org/preprint/view/2453/4718

Be aware the performance of FC-1 is from its manufacture (reliable), but the performance of other aircraft are from JANE's (it's science popularization instead of research citations, not that reliable)

[viperzerof-2]

Thank you!