F-35 Demo instantaneous turn vs F-16, F22

[rowbeartoe]

Hi everyone. With the new F-35 Demo team this year (2019), I couldn't help but be impressed with the instantaneous turn loop at altitude, very similar to the vector thrust F-22 and those Su/Mig vector thrust jets during demos. I was curious, can the F-16 pull off a maneuver like that? Even the follow up rudder turn from the F-35 looks similar to the F-22 demo. The F-16 is one of the best low altitude sustained turning Jets in the world (usually doing a 360 turn in 19 seconds) but I've never really seen a demo show any kind of instantaneous turn from the F-16, well at least any that stands out.

Again, the F-35 maneuver I'm talking about is similar to the F-22 demo. The Jets do a high speed pass, pull straight up, and then do a fast instantaneous loop followed by a rudder left and right "turn" with the nose pointing straight. I'm sure I'm not using the correct terms, so I'm hoping this makes sense.

Thank you everyone.

[basher54321]

Almost impossible from watching airshows and videos regarding how much AoA or nose rate etc is actually going on. The F-35 has a higher AoA limit so it should be able to generate a higher instantaneous turn at certain speeds - that would be one difference.

[magnum4469]

With the advent of helmet-mounted targeting sights combined with High Off-Boresight weapons, the need to maneuver into a weapons engagement zone is not as important at it was before these capabilities existed. Don't get me wrong, I think maneuverability is still very important, but even more important is that the first one to get a valid weapon off the rail will be the victor.