Hornet v Viper - Pilot gives his opinions

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Unread post06 Jun 2015, 18:23

hornetfinn wrote:I also wonder how bad it's supposed to be? I think that the late C/D models with F404-GE-402 EPE engine the Hornet has very nice T/W ratio, comparable with best F-16 variants. With the older F404-GE-400 engines the T/W ratio is of course significantly lower and might be the reason for having reputation for being under powered. Of course like you said, there are more to it than simple T/W ratios.


Although you can get a good idea of weight range, the thrust is pretty much unknown. For start it is not always clear if the static figure is installed or uninstalled. Then without the thrust curves we have no idea how much thrust is actually produced at altitude V velocity. That's even before you start looking at drag.

"A Navy Test Pilot's Perspective" by Tougas, John Toonces "Flight Journal" Jun 03 Issue

Like the Viper, the Hornet has different engine versions in inventory, but even with two "big motors," the GE-404-402 has 18,000 pounds of maximum thrust each, and in a drag race, the Hornet would be no match for the Viper.

Hardly scientific I suppose ...........
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Unread post07 Jun 2015, 04:18

a slick -402/big motor charlie is pretty impressive, at least when it comes to T/W.
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Unread post07 Jun 2015, 12:51

35_aoa wrote:a slick -402/big motor charlie is pretty impressive, at least when it comes to T/W.


A significant difference then you would say 8)
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Unread post07 Jun 2015, 22:35

35_aoa wrote:a slick -402/big motor charlie is pretty impressive, at least when it comes to T/W.

Have you done a "mixed" formation takeoff yet?
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Unread post08 Jun 2015, 02:18

neurotech wrote:
35_aoa wrote:a slick -402/big motor charlie is pretty impressive, at least when it comes to T/W.

Have you done a "mixed" formation takeoff yet?


yes, quite a few, but none in the vein of a drag race, which is what I'd guess you are wondering about. The Viper would win that every time though. It's takeoff acceleration in segment 5 AB is very impressive......though not quite as good as a Hornet going off the catapult :)
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Unread post08 Jun 2015, 06:37

35_aoa wrote:
neurotech wrote:
35_aoa wrote:a slick -402/big motor charlie is pretty impressive, at least when it comes to T/W.

Have you done a "mixed" formation takeoff yet?


yes, quite a few, but none in the vein of a drag race, which is what I'd guess you are wondering about. The Viper would win that every time though. It's takeoff acceleration in segment 5 AB is very impressive......though not quite as good as a Hornet going off the catapult :)

Your right, the Hornet wins. The Viper can't be shot off a catapult.

Come to think of it, I don't think any aircraft can accelerate faster than a jet on the catapult.
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Unread post08 Jun 2015, 10:09

neurotech wrote:Your right, the Hornet wins. The Viper can't be shot off a catapult.

Come to think of it, I don't think any aircraft can accelerate faster than a jet on the catapult.


Rocket assisted takeoff must have come close.
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Unread post08 Jun 2015, 14:10

35_aoa wrote:
yes, quite a few, but none in the vein of a drag race, which is what I'd guess you are wondering about. The Viper would win that every time though. It's takeoff acceleration in segment 5 AB is very impressive......though not quite as good as a Hornet going off the catapult :)



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Unread post08 Jun 2015, 19:35

mrigdon wrote:
neurotech wrote:Your right, the Hornet wins. The Viper can't be shot off a catapult.

Come to think of it, I don't think any aircraft can accelerate faster than a jet on the catapult.


Rocket assisted takeoff must have come close.


I think the ZEL F-104 tests must have been fairly exciting. :shock:
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