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Re: F-16 versus JF-17 Joint Pakistan/Chinese fighter

Unread postPosted: 31 Aug 2019, 00:34
by jedit
Boman wrote:India has requested additional 18 SU-30MKI's according to AFM.


unrelated to the thread in question, other than an indirect link that JF17 is a direct adversary to the Su30. They aren't the same class of fighters though.

Re: F-16 versus JF-17 Joint Pakistan/Chinese fighter

Unread postPosted: 03 Sep 2019, 06:42
by Corsair1963
Has Pakistan ever sent F-16's to China for a Military Exercise??? Is that even allowed??? (i.e. US)

Re: F-16 versus JF-17 Joint Pakistan/Chinese fighter

Unread postPosted: 03 Sep 2019, 15:08
by invictus
Corsair1963 wrote:Has Pakistan ever sent F-16's to China for a Military Exercise??? Is that even allowed??? (i.e. US)


No only JF.17s, Mirages and F.7 series aircraft,the last Shaheen series exercise was organised at Paf base Bholari which is basically an F.16 base with single squadron of ADF vipers so maybe A-A engagements between the vipers and chinese aircraft might have happened but not sure about it.

Re: F-16 versus JF-17 Joint Pakistan/Chinese fighter

Unread postPosted: 04 Sep 2019, 07:48
by weasel1962
If the Pakistanis have it, certain the Chinese have it too. JF-17 with the wing-kit JDAM-equivalent.

https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/stat ... 7248965632

That's something the PAF F-16s haven't got.

Re: F-16 versus JF-17 Joint Pakistan/Chinese fighter

Unread postPosted: 04 Sep 2019, 11:44
by Shimud
They are operating F-16s since almost 40 years now.
Those who were trained and first flew it at Lake AFB eventually found their way in design and development process of JF-17. It includes pilots and engineers.
They were the second after Israeli AF to put it into real world combat, earned several aerial victories against Soviet and Afghan AFs, without any loss.
This experience and exposure gave them an unmatched capability to influence the weapon, mechanical and electronics' design aspects of JF-17 and in many cases, they improved them.
They are wise to build upon one block after another, in a limited number of 50 aircraft each, while removing the deficiencies of the previous block and improving upon the advantages. Its a continuous refining process. Its a continuously evolving fighter aircraft.

None of us could claim that a JF-17 is better than an F-16 but we must give them credit where its due.
JF-17 has given them an edge over their enemies, in both qualitative and quantitative terms.

An AF which was flying obselete 60s era fighters is gradually replacing all of them with a 4th gen (3rd in Chinese terminology) multipurpose jet.

Not to mention that during February 2019 skirmishes over Kashmir, PAF used its 60s era Mirage 3/5 in a much more effective manner, as compared to how badly the modern Mirage 2000Es of IAF performed.

Re: F-16 versus JF-17 Joint Pakistan/Chinese fighter

Unread postPosted: 05 Sep 2019, 10:32
by weasel1962
invictus wrote:No only JF.17s, Mirages and F.7 series aircraft,the last Shaheen series exercise was organised at Paf base Bholari which is basically an F.16 base with single squadron of ADF vipers so maybe A-A engagements between the vipers and chinese aircraft might have happened but not sure about it.


The PAF has special restrictions set up prior to the acquisitions due to the concerns that US had in view of the closer relations to China as early as 1982.

Example:
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/114307

PLAAF may have trained with other force's F-16s e.g. Thailand's falcon strike exercise with PLA J-10s/Su-27s.