F-16 versus JF-17 Joint Pakistan/Chinese fighter

arthurgray · by **arthurgray** » 21 Mar 2005, 13:53

Would like to know what everybody thinks about this, according to air international some people have said the JF-17 is better or if not better then the F-16. :shock:

Pumpkin · by **Pumpkin** » 23 Mar 2005, 21:42

arthurgray, here is some very informative articles on the JF-17/FC-1. Is it better than the F-16? Personally, I don't think it is a comparsion of the same class. It should be compared with India's LCA or Taiwan's IDF. It will be interesting to know the performance of the SD-10 BVR missile though.

arthurgray · by **arthurgray** » 24 Mar 2005, 03:42

Thanks pumpkin of all the articles i have read,photos i have seen is nothing compared to those photos i added to my favorites the plan veiw of the JF-17. This helps a lot now the only thing missing is a 1/48 scale model to add to my collection.

agilefalcon16 · by **agilefalcon16** » 31 Mar 2005, 13:00

I believe that if the Viper can outmaneuver the Gripen, I'm fairly confident the Viper can outmaneuver the JF-17 as well. But I can't be sure.

Purplehaze · by **Purplehaze** » 31 Mar 2005, 14:44

With the right driver the Viper can out do anything....Right Gums?

Purplehaze

blain2 · by **blain2** » 13 Apr 2005, 18:34

I think I can add my $.02 worth here as well. The primary customer for JF-17 is the Pakistan Airforce. They believe that the JF-17 should be close to or equal to their existing blk 15 F-16 in terms of their ability to execute BFM/ACM with it and that is pretty much it. PAF likes it F-16s better for sure and this will not change in the future and considers them as the high-tech component of its inventory. The JF-17s are envisaged to be the medium-tech component in the PAF inventory. They are being developed primarily to replace the existing inventory of Mirage III/Vs and some other hardware of Chinese origin.

The biggest + of the JF-17 is the first-shot BVR capability of the aircraft because it will be fully integrated/mated to the SD-10 MRAAM. Until and unless AMRAAMs are released to Pakistan, the JF-17 will be the only aircraft with this capability.

rafale_2k5 · by **rafale_2k5** » 04 May 2005, 10:45

No way does a JF-17 match up to F-16 , just remember JF-17s basically PAFs nostalgia 4 the F-16 , which incidentally they fell in love with, afger US sanctions wen things really looked bleak they decided to make their own F-16 , which incidentally purely from performance parameters is basically 70% of the original F-16 blk15 , but if we compare the BVR capability and avionics its far superior, however in WVR dog fight its sustained turn rate is more than F-16 during subsonis speeds but F-16 would beat it with its superior thrust , so all in all it cant be compared in the same class!!!

IndianAirForce · by **IndianAirForce** » 26 Aug 2005, 18:11

No way is the JF-17 going to win. It is just a cheaper altenative to the F-16.
The F-16 has proven itself in combat. It's just common sense, the F-16 will win

Angels225 · by **Angels225** » 27 Aug 2005, 17:42

Arthur gray I had the oppurtunity to meet a pilot at the exhibition IDEAS 2004 that was held in pakistan recentlly...
I cant recall his name(I know.. this kills the credibility of my post all together :oops:

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but after the usual JF-17 this and that I had him convinced I wasnt just another college going kid who(usually here) din know jack about jets he invited me for lunch at the cafeteria. at lunch he told me in the best of words.. that the JF-17 is 80% of the viper at "combat speeds".. the reason we want is BVR.. which has already been said. that said the sagem guys have said they'll make it PGM/TV capable so that the PAF can start shoving those mirage's in the scrap yard where they belong( lost another one yesterday), without worrying about losing the strike capablity..range was an issue.. but appprently the chinese got inspired by the blk 60's conformals and are making some for this thing as well..though even he was not too sure of that( must have been an over confident guy boasting about the owlet dragon..i thinks thats wats it called there).. long story short.. a poor mans viper..

pafpilot · by **pafpilot** » 07 Oct 2005, 14:13

i know its off topic! but what if the JF-17 is compared to Indian LCD

Fighting-Falcon · by **Fighting-Falcon** » 09 Oct 2005, 05:33

JF-17 is being built to counter indian LCA. Even if JF-17 is equal to the F-16`s so why we Pakistani are actually buying F-16`s from America right now.

Fighting-Falcon · by **Fighting-Falcon** » 09 Oct 2005, 05:44

Actually,JF-17 is also being made to replace the ageing fleet of Mirages,Fantans and F-7`s(though F-7PG will remain in service).

JF-17 will be our Arirforces spearhead because we will get them in quantity and they are being produced by us.

kaiser_spawn · by **kaiser_spawn** » 22 Oct 2005, 22:41

The JF-17 is still under devoplement so its still undertermined if it will be egual to the F-16.According to my anylasis the JF-17 has significently improved and the 3rd prototype was 90% as capable as the f-16c block 50.This was a large improvement for Pakistan and China is you realize that the first prototype was only half as capable as the f-16.As for the LCA it is not even comparable to the mig-23 and not even worth mentioning.

shiz302 · by **shiz302** » 05 Nov 2005, 16:45

Anyone see a resemblance?

Pat1 · by **Pat1** » 07 Nov 2005, 05:58

kaiser_spawn wrote:According to my anylasis the JF-17 has significently improved and the 3rd prototype was 90% as capable as the f-16c block 50.This was a large improvement for Pakistan and China is you realize that the first prototype was only half as capable as the f-16.As for the LCA it is not even comparable to the mig-23 and not even worth mentioning.

Hi kaier_spwan,

How do you figure?