F-16 MLU vs MiG-29SMT

Agreed, it will never be a fair fight but how would the F-16 match up against the ... ?
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Unread post27 Feb 2014, 15:52

The program upgraded the F-16 and MiG-29 recently:

F-16A / B MLU enhance longevity and improve the F-16 Block 10/15
MiG-29SMT (9-17) improve longevity, improved MiG-29A / ​​B 9-12/13

Especially point difference upgrade though, F-16A / B still has a few improvements FBW electronics, radar, HUD was the MiG-29A / B upgrade and some more HOTAS other electronic devices such as radar, HUD, increase the range ... But still no FBW, however maneuverability of the MiG-29 is still between the original. Basically though there FBW F-16MLU easier to manage, but in return there R-73/Zsh-5 Mig 29 in close range, long range F-16MLU advantage early detection by radar APG-62V2 and HUD upgrade angle larger, however, because could not integrated AIM-9X/120C, should also not be capable of BVR, Mig 29SMT Perhaps it is equipped R-77 with radar Zhuk-M. Both 2 fighter the whole point is to upgrade both engines and higher life expectancy than.

I've also heard MiG-29M/SMT was reduced RCS = 1m2, RCS of F-16 is about 1.2m2, The advantage of MiG-29SMT/R-73/HMD (Zsh-5)
+ HMD system, combined with high-Off-boresight (Kitchen) weapons, resulting in the ability for pilots to attack and destroy almost any target seen by the pilot. These systems allow the specified targets with minimal air movement, minimizing time spent on environmental threats, and enable greater lethality, survivability, and pilot recognized informal situations. For the new generation missiles like the AIM-9X has LOAL mode, the pilot can fire missile immediately, as soon as they saw the target, however, F-16MLU not integrate AIM-9X. R-73 is also capable of this, but limited. Because it uses the traditional mode LOBL. It can be targeted by a helmet-mounted sight (HMS) either, allowing pilots to designate targets by looking at them, but it must be had a period of time (only a few take seconds), enough to lock the target.

LOCAL = Lock on after launcher
LOBAL = Lock on before launcher
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Unread post27 Feb 2014, 21:26

Not quite sure what your question or intention with this post is, but one thing is sure:

IT ALL DEPENDS……..

The outcome of the fight will in 99% of the time depend in the skills of the pilot flying.
Assuming that both pilots are equally skilled, and that the ROE's are the same for both sides in the fight, I would still put my money on the MLU, since its ergonomics and pilot/machine interphase is much more mature/evolved then that of the SMT.
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Unread post28 Feb 2014, 06:06

guy@rdaf.dk wrote:Not quite sure what your question or intention with this post is, but one thing is sure:

IT ALL DEPENDS……..

The outcome of the fight will in 99% of the time depend in the skills of the pilot flying.
Assuming that both pilots are equally skilled, and that the ROE's are the same for both sides in the fight, I would still put my money on the MLU, since its ergonomics and pilot/machine interphase is much more mature/evolved then that of the SMT.

Thanks!

What is ROE's ?
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Unread post28 Feb 2014, 09:50

indochina wrote:What is ROE's ?


Rules of Engagement.

See: http://www.f-16.net/glossary-R.html
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Unread post28 Feb 2014, 12:13

F-16 vs MiG-29 - the necessity of FBW/HMD

Some designs, like the F-16 (which in current production form is regarded as highly maneuverable, but only the F-16 VISTA tech demonstrator is considered supermaneuverable) are designed to be inherently unstable; that is, the aircraft, if completely uncontrolled, will not tend to return to level, stable flight after a disturbance as an inherently stable design will. Such designs require the use of a "fly-by-wire" system where a computer corrects for minor instabilities while also interpreting the pilot's input and manipulating the control surfaces to produce the desired behavior without inducing a loss of control. Thus corrected for, the instability of the design creates an aircraft that is highly maneuverable; free from the self-limiting resistance that a stable design provides to desired maneuvers, an intentionally unstable design is capable of far higher rates of turn than would otherwise be possible.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermaneuverability


Designed on the basis of the specifications of TsAGI (Tsentral'nyi Aerogidrodynamichesky Institut/Central Institute of Aerodynamic Investigation and Hydrodynamics), the MIG-29 soon became the antagonist of F-16, although with a size similar to the one of F/A-18 and being designed to exceed to these in agility and terminal velocity. In opposition to the unstable design of the F-16 (controlled by Fly-by-wire ), the MIG-29 bets by a design more stable, but optimized to be more maneuverable. Although an analog computer exists on board that limits the GS and alphas of the hunting, this one can be deactivated, allowing to the airplane to be demanded beyond the established limits.


I understand the more unstable aircraft, but combined with FBW will have an enhanced maneuverable than stability aircraft ! However, the only dogfight between F-16 MLU Holland vs MiG-29B Yugoslavia, used long-range missiles AIM-120A / B and hit targets through E-3 AWACS.

In addition, the Red Flag meeting between the F/A-18, F-16C and German MiG-29A showed high maneuverability of both aircraft are equal, but the MiG-29A missile R-73 combined with HMD showed superiority compared with the maneuverability of NATO aircraft ( Yugoslavia had no HMD, they lack serious rocket since embargo by the US)

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