F-16 versus Mirage 2000

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Unread post26 Sep 2019, 08:25

jedit wrote:A new interview of a Mirage 2000 pilot from India has popped up on the same site and this pilot is not a Viper fan.
https://hushkit.net/2019/09/25/flying-f ... 000-pilot/
IAF pilot says F16 is underpowered (first they said on mission load and then just casually said its underpowered) and Mirage 2000 can beat it any day. He also said Mig 21 can beat Viper in an instantaneous turn, I wonder how that would happen and comparing F16 to Su30 and Mirage 2000 would be unfair on F16 as its an older design (that essentially has no chance of winning?). I would appreciate any F16 experts/pilot comments on this.

Let check the flight manual data since test data can't lie:
Mig-21 at 15k ft:
ITR = 17 degrees/second
STR = 9.7 degrees/second
Mig-21 at 15k feet.jpg


F-16A at 15k ft
ITR = 20 degrees/second
STR = 14.2 degrees/second
F-16A at 15k feet.jpg


Mirage 2000 at 15k ft
ITR = 23.9 degrees/second
STR = 12.5 degrees/second
Mirage 2000 at 15k feet.jpg


F-5E at 15k ft
ITR = 17.8 degrees/second
STR = 10 degrees/second
F-5E at 15k feet.png


Mig-21 can't even match the instantaneous and sustain turn rate of F-5E, its kinematic won't even get remotely close to F-16 and Mirage 2000.
ITR from best to worst: Mirage 2000 > F-16 > F-5 > Mig-21
STR from best to worst: F-16 > Mirage 2000 > F-5 > Mig-21

According to the German manual, at sea level Mig-21 can barely sustain more than 7.2G even with the secondary emergency reheat whereas F-16 can sustain 9G from sea level till about 5000 ft. TBH, it is undeniable that F-16 is a better fighter.
German Mig-21bis.jpg
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Unread post26 Sep 2019, 09:09

jedit wrote:comparing F16 to Su30 and Mirage 2000 would be unfair on F16 as its an older design (that essentially has no chance of winning?). I would appreciate any F16 experts/pilot comments on this.

It depends, which F-16 and Su-30 version we are talking about. Are we comparing F-16A/B or F-16E/F with Su-30? and what Su-30 version? Su-30S or Su-30MKI? Because they all have different radars, engine and jamming system that can affect the result.
Nevertheless, because KS-172 and K-100 never went into service, F-16 has longer range missile than anything currently carried by Su-30.
There are some charts from Mig-29 manual and declassified documents:
R-27P launch envelope:
R-27P.png


R-27ER launch envelope:
R-27ER.png


RVV-AE (R-77) launch envelope:
RVV-AE@.jpeg

RVV-AE.png


AIM-120 A/B launch envelope:
AIM-120A.png


Overlap the launch envelope of AIM-120A/B and R-77 for easier comparison:
overlap envelope.png


AIM-120 A/B launch envelope is equal to R-27ER and significantly greater than R-77 and R-27P, but R-27 is a SARH weapon thus with equal range whoever launched AIM-120 has a significant advantage. We haven't brought up AIM-120C-5 and AIM-120D yet.
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Unread post26 Sep 2019, 10:48

jedit wrote:
basher54321 wrote:Mirage 2000 pilot interview: Cutting it in the ‘Electric Cakeslice’

I wanted the French Exchange because it was based in Provence and the Mirage is a unique airframe :beer:

https://hushkit.net/2016/10/13/mirage-2 ... cakeslice/

Includes a few comparisons.


A new interview of a Mirage 2000 pilot from India has popped up on the same site and this pilot is not a Viper fan.

https://hushkit.net/2019/09/25/flying-f ... 000-pilot/

IAF pilot says F16 is underpowered (first they said on mission load and then just casually said its underpowered) and Mirage 2000 can beat it any day. He also said Mig 21 can beat Viper in an instantaneous turn, I wonder how that would happen and comparing F16 to Su30 and Mirage 2000 would be unfair on F16 as its an older design (that essentially has no chance of winning?). I would appreciate any F16 experts/pilot comments on this.

Cherry picking. No one reading the interview would conclude that he said that mig21 is a better plane than the f16. His emphasis was on the mirage 2000 which he said is a better plane than the f16.
Which is borne out by the fact that when the m2k was in the air, in kargil and recently, the f16s were quicj to leave the theatre.
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Unread post26 Sep 2019, 11:37

jedit wrote:
A new interview of a Mirage 2000 pilot from India has popped up on the same site and this pilot is not a Viper fan.

IAF pilot says F16 is underpowered (first they said on mission load and then just casually said its underpowered) and Mirage 2000 can beat it any day. He also said Mig 21 can beat Viper in an instantaneous turn, I wonder how that would happen and comparing F16 to Su30 and Mirage 2000 would be unfair on F16 as its an older design (that essentially has no chance of winning?). I would appreciate any F16 experts/pilot comments on this.





I really wouldn't worry to much about it - because we can deduce the Indian intelligence community are not completely inept - the mostly ludicrous comments about the F-16 from that pilot are probably for the benefit of people who know very little about aircraft - or even those that have issues counting to 6:

The F-16 was designed in the 70s to counter MiGs. Two to four within visual range missiles and one external fuel tank and that’s it.


Just add it to the pile of things to laugh at and move on.
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Unread post26 Sep 2019, 14:11

vm wrote:Cherry picking. No one reading the interview would conclude that he said that mig21 is a better plane than the f16. His emphasis was on the mirage 2000 which he said is a better plane than the f16.
Which is borne out by the fact that when the m2k was in the air, in kargil and recently, the f16s were quicj to leave the theatre.

TBH, Mirage is only better than F-16 in ITR, nothing more
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Unread post26 Sep 2019, 14:46

All of those jets are pretty good, so pilot skill and the guy who makes fewer mistakes will win.

However, if anyone remembers that old article: "Beauty and the Beast, Mirage-2000H vs MiG-29B" the Indian pilot interviewed said (pilot skill aside) the Mig-29 was the better dog-fighter.

It should also be noted in the interview with Captain Christian "Louis" van Gestel, he said the Mirage 2000 once at 9G (if the pilot attempts to stay there) in essence will "fall out of the sky".

http://www.f-16.net/interviews_article24.html
Christian: "The only operational jet I ever flew is the F-16. I had backseat rides in a MiG-29 and Mirage 2000. The Mirage has more AOA available but falls out of the sky after he puts this big delta wing into the wind. The MiG has power and turns very well. It is an ergonomical drama inside the cockpit, it will not roll and it lacks fuel."


Just look at that posted chart: having a 9G ITR is great but, but losing energy at such high rates of -1900 to -2000Ps is not. The plane will decelerate far too quickly. That is why you can only hold it for an instant, i.e. called instantaneous turn rate for a reason-


Finally, US Naval aviator Paco Chierici in his Aircrew Interview (comments start at the 10:25 mark) said that even in the F-14 Tomcat (if he could withstand its first turn) he could beat the Mirage 2000. So that is saying alot.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzIEm2tyZA
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Unread post26 Sep 2019, 15:42

The Mirage 2000 initially is a 9G airframe but bleeds energy so fast that it is only possible for a blink of an eye. The power available can not overcome the induced drag.

Mig-29 is easy, follow the smoke plume to find it.
Ergonomics make the thing hard to fight.
You can pull pretty hard, but roll is to cry for.
And after a few turns in AB, the airfied better be below you.

All in all, the F-16 wins all the time, on versatility, sustainability, energy management, and ergonomics.

Any F-16 pilot that survives the first turn, can out-fuel and out-fight both of them.

What would/could be a happy mariage is a Mirage 2000 with a PW-100 (or above) motor.
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Unread post26 Sep 2019, 22:11

garrya wrote:Let check the flight manual data since test data can't lie:
Mig-21 at 15k ft:
ITR = 17 degrees/second
STR = 9.7 degrees/second

F-16A at 15k ft
ITR = 20 degrees/second
STR = 14.2 degrees/second

Mirage 2000 at 15k ft
ITR = 23.9 degrees/second
STR = 12.5 degrees/second

F-5E at 15k ft
ITR = 17.8 degrees/second
STR = 10 degrees/second

Mig-21 can't even match the instantaneous and sustain turn rate of F-5E, its kinematic won't even get remotely close to F-16 and Mirage 2000.
ITR from best to worst: Mirage 2000 > F-16 > F-5 > Mig-21
STR from best to worst: F-16 > Mirage 2000 > F-5 > Mig-21

According to the German manual, at sea level Mig-21 can barely sustain more than 7.2G even with the secondary emergency reheat whereas F-16 can sustain 9G from sea level till about 5000 ft. TBH, it is undeniable that F-16 is a better fighter.


This is all helpful and amazingly detailed. Thank you.

garrya wrote:It depends, which F-16 and Su-30 version we are talking about. Are we comparing F-16A/B or F-16E/F with Su-30? and what Su-30 version? Su-30S or Su-30MKI? Because they all have different radars, engine and jamming system that can affect the result.
Nevertheless, because KS-172 and K-100 never went into service, F-16 has longer range missile than anything currently carried by Su-30.
There are some charts from Mig-29 manual and declassified documents:
R-27P launch envelope:
R-27ER launch envelope:

RVV-AE (R-77) launch envelope:

AIM-120 A/B launch envelope:

Overlap the launch envelope of AIM-120A/B and R-77 for easier comparison:

AIM-120 A/B launch envelope is equal to R-27ER and significantly greater than R-77 and R-27P, but R-27 is a SARH weapon thus with equal range whoever launched AIM-120 has a significant advantage. We haven't brought up AIM-120C-5 and AIM-120D yet.


Fairly certain IAF pilots always mean PAF F16s the latest of which are block 50/52, while older ones are Block 15 MLUd. PAF operates AIM-120C-5 which is what India complained about when PAF used them against Su30MKIs while shooting down IAF Mig21. IAF Chief BS Dhanoa in what was his farewell meeting with media complained PAF used AIM 120s at DMax largely confirming Su30MKI was rendered inert while their pilots continue to claim Su30 is better than the adversary Vipers.

vilters wrote:The Mirage 2000 initially is a 9G airframe but bleeds energy so fast that it is only possible for a blink of an eye. The power available can not overcome the induced drag.


Makes sense

All in all, the F-16 wins all the time, on versatility, sustainability, energy management, and ergonomics.
Any F-16 pilot that survives the first turn, can out-fuel and out-fight both of them.
What would/could be a happy mariage is a Mirage 2000 with a PW-100 (or above) motor.


Maybe some day in a DCS fantasy version! :)

vm wrote:Cherry picking. No one reading the interview would conclude that he said that mig21 is a better plane than the f16. His emphasis was on the mirage 2000 which he said is a better plane than the f16.
Which is borne out by the fact that when the m2k was in the air, in kargil and recently, the f16s were quicj to leave the theatre.


Discussing the intriguing info about ITR of Mig21 that was claimed to be superior to F16, which has been rendered inaccurate in the extremely detailed post above that you might have read. I am sure the IAF pilot meant Vipers operated by PAF of which latest are Block 50/52 (he couldn't be comparing it with the weakest of the enemy but the strongest if he's a pro). I will quote this below from the interview and leave it for readers to decide whether Block 50/52 on PW engines is under powered compared to Mirage 2000/Su30MKI and whether R77 enjoys better range than AIM120C (a claim Indian analysts have themselves rejected since 27th Feb)

But I can say this, head to head, Su-30 or Mirage 2000 are greatly superior to the Viper, and the reason is very simple, both are later designs than the Viper. They are not underpowered like the Viper and have better weapon range and radar range.”
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Unread post27 Sep 2019, 00:27

I would rate the mirage2000 as the best fighter in the subcontinent, especially after the upgrades.
The recent skirmish also borne that out as the m2ks were used to bomb the terrorist camps deep in the Pakistani state(not Pakistan occupied kashmir), unchallenged . Even after 35 years of induction, the frames and the electronic package are a complete package and were also used to bomb the Pakistani army posts in kargil in 1999, with the f16s not daring to take to the air, as accepted by their then air chief.
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Unread post27 Sep 2019, 04:00

vm wrote:I would rate the mirage2000 as the best fighter in the subcontinent, especially after the upgrades

Are you talking about this upgrade below?TBH, I don't think it offers anything particularly special that make Pakistan F-16 obsolete
The upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard external link, including a new RDY-3 radar with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new night vision compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems. These will be tied into a joint tactical information data link system (JTIDS, usually Link 16 compatible but not always), plus helmet-mounted sights for wide-angle heat-seeking missiles. As part of the upgrade, the aircraft will also be equipped with MBDA’s Mica family of medium range missiles.

MBDA was probably unamused by India Defence’s December 2006 description of its wares as “an advanced medium-range missile that is the French counterpart to the more capable American AMRAAM missile [link added]”. MICA would actually replace both the radar-guided Super 350 MRAAM and Magic-II short-range infrared missiles on Indian Mirages, offering better performance and range. While the MICA-RF does have mediocre range compared to the AIM-120C AMRAAM, or even the Russian R-77 used by the IAF’s SU-30MKIs, it’s unique in offering a MICA-IR heat-seeking IR version for a potent medium range ‘no warning’ targeting option. French pilots who used the MICA-IR over Libya report that its sensor alone is a useful input to their systems, and its passive seeker with lock-on after launch means that it can be fired from beyond visual range at enemy aircraft, without creating any warning from the opposing fighter’s radar warning receivers. India will join France, Egypt, Greece, Taiwan and the UAE as operators of the Mirage 2000/MICA combo.

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/in ... ext-02891/


The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of up to 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 external link aircraft – a buy of 18 jets, with an option for another 18. The planes would be equipped with the APG-68(V)9 radars, which are the most modern F-16 radar except for the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 “Desert Falcons” and their AN/APG-80 AESA. The engine contract was less certain. Pakistan’s existing F-16s use the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine, but the new planes involved a competition between Pratt & Whitney’s F100-PW-229 external link or General Electric’s F110-GE-129 external link Increased Performance Engines (IPEs).

The total value, if all options are exercised, was estimated as high as $3 billion, which is in line with Pentagon releases that eventually peg the negotiated cost of 12 F-16Cs, 6 F-16Ds, and ancillary equipment at $1.4 billion. Pratt & Whitney kept their customer, and supplied the new jets with their F100-PW-229 EEP engine, making them all F-16 Block 52s. The package for Pakistan’s new F-16s included:

7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets external link
36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft’s sides to give them extra range
36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites: ALQ-211 AIDEW without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM.
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https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/51 ... 16s-02396/

vm wrote:were also used to bomb the Pakistani army posts in kargil in 1999, with the f16s not daring to take to the air, as accepted by their then air chief.

I am skeptical that an air chief would say something like that.
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Unread post27 Sep 2019, 19:31

I am not attempting to take sides over the India v Pakistan conflict. However, I do recall reading the then Air Marshal saying something along those lines. But it should be remembered that at that time (1999) India's Mirage 2000H and Mig-29 aircraft both had medium range AAM capability (the R-27 and Matra Super 530) The Block 15 F-16A's used by Pakistan only had short range Aim-9's (and Pakistan was under an arms embargo since the early 1990's over its nuclear program: remember those NSAWC F-16 Block 15's currently used as aggressors were originally meant for Pakistan). So the Pakistani jets would have been at a great disadvantage at BVR since lacking a medium range missile.


After 9/11 they received Block 52's, which are a far more capable aircraft than Block 15's. Block 15's were generally meant to drop 6 500lbs dumb bombs and then fight their way back out of Eastern Europe with Aim-9's-- back in the early/mid 1980's-- if the Cold War ever went hot. The only Block 15's at that time with medium range Sparrow or AMRAAM capability were those operated by our ANG, i.e. the F-16ADF model; or the upgraded European MLU.
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Unread post27 Sep 2019, 21:43

f-16adf wrote: However, I do recall reading the then Air Marshal saying something along those lines.



We need context with some kind of statement on what he actually said in that case because the way it has been put so far kind of makes out there was some kind of cowardice involved - or perhaps the pilots Union held a strike on Pay 8)

South African Mirages, North Vietnamese and Mid East MiGs, Iranian F-5Es and PAF F-16s have all been engaged in combat Versus BVR capable jets sometimes in overwhelming conditions, All had to get on with it and try to find ways round it. Same as all US F-16s in any mid 1980s CW scenario (MLU mod was mid 90s) would have had to.
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Unread post27 Sep 2019, 22:27

Basher, I'll try and find it (may or may not still be in my possession). Yes, the MLU was mid 1990's (the F-16ADF basically 1989 onward).

By the late 1990's with the embargo, I don't know just how many Pakistani F-16's would have been operational. That could also have been a factor. Regardless, the original Block 1,5,10,15 A models did have their minor drawbacks (yet superb close in dog-fighters--par excellence) as all jets do. Not having a radar missile was one of them. That could have been just one of the factors here in this discussion.
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garrya wrote:
vm wrote:I would rate the mirage2000 as the best fighter in the subcontinent, especially after the upgrades

Are you talking about this upgrade below?TBH, I don't think it offers anything particularly special that make Pakistan F-16 obsolete
The upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard external link, including a new RDY-3 radar with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new night vision compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems. These will be tied into a joint tactical information data link system (JTIDS, usually Link 16 compatible but not always), plus helmet-mounted sights for wide-angle heat-seeking missiles. As part of the upgrade, the aircraft will also be equipped with MBDA’s Mica family of medium range missiles.

MBDA was probably unamused by India Defence’s December 2006 description of its wares as “an advanced medium-range missile that is the French counterpart to the more capable American AMRAAM missile [link added]”. MICA would actually replace both the radar-guided Super 350 MRAAM and Magic-II short-range infrared missiles on Indian Mirages, offering better performance and range. While the MICA-RF does have mediocre range compared to the AIM-120C AMRAAM, or even the Russian R-77 used by the IAF’s SU-30MKIs, it’s unique in offering a MICA-IR heat-seeking IR version for a potent medium range ‘no warning’ targeting option. French pilots who used the MICA-IR over Libya report that its sensor alone is a useful input to their systems, and its passive seeker with lock-on after launch means that it can be fired from beyond visual range at enemy aircraft, without creating any warning from the opposing fighter’s radar warning receivers. India will join France, Egypt, Greece, Taiwan and the UAE as operators of the Mirage 2000/MICA combo.

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/in ... ext-02891/


The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of up to 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 external link aircraft – a buy of 18 jets, with an option for another 18. The planes would be equipped with the APG-68(V)9 radars, which are the most modern F-16 radar except for the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 “Desert Falcons” and their AN/APG-80 AESA. The engine contract was less certain. Pakistan’s existing F-16s use the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine, but the new planes involved a competition between Pratt & Whitney’s F100-PW-229 external link or General Electric’s F110-GE-129 external link Increased Performance Engines (IPEs).

The total value, if all options are exercised, was estimated as high as $3 billion, which is in line with Pentagon releases that eventually peg the negotiated cost of 12 F-16Cs, 6 F-16Ds, and ancillary equipment at $1.4 billion. Pratt & Whitney kept their customer, and supplied the new jets with their F100-PW-229 EEP engine, making them all F-16 Block 52s. The package for Pakistan’s new F-16s included:

7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets external link
36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft’s sides to give them extra range
36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites: ALQ-211 AIDEW without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM.
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https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/51 ... 16s-02396/

vm wrote:were also used to bomb the Pakistani army posts in kargil in 1999, with the f16s not daring to take to the air, as accepted by their then air chief.

I am skeptical that an air chief would say something like that.


I would say the F-16 Bl 50+ and the Mirage 2000 Mk2 are roughly on the same Level. Although the RDY Radar seems to have more range as the APG-68v9.

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While the MICA-RF does have mediocre range compared to the AIM-120C AMRAAM, or even the Russian R-77 used by the IAF’s SU-30MKIs,


This seems clearly wrong. According to the manufacturers the Mica has nearly the doubled range of the R-77.
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