F-16 solo display - Or what an F-35 WON'T be able to do ;)

Agreed, it will never be a fair fight but how would the F-16 match up against the ... ?
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Unread post20 Oct 2011, 09:04

SpudmanWP wrote:Let's see:
29.3k OEW
4.5k Airshow Fuel (25% internal)
43k max thrust F135
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1.27 T/W ratio... sounds good to me.

Sounds great, but how do you figure you'll fly a 7 min. demo, with 3 min. worth of fuel, in AB?
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Unread post20 Oct 2011, 09:12

OK, moving it back to the F-16 versus XYZ forum...
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Unread post20 Oct 2011, 09:32

johnwill wrote:Why don't we load up both airplanes with two 2000 lb bombs and 18,000 lb of fuel, then compare agility? Or speed? Or max g? Or max roll rate? Or range?


Fair comeback, johnwill. If fully fueled (F-16 w/ 2x CFT) and w/ 2 AAM and 2 2k lb'ers each, F-35 should out cruise and and likely out air-show the F-16 imho.

I guess the point being, if in a maxed-out ACM configuration, say 2 AAM each and clean w/ relevant internal fuel load, then some of us at least will be anticipating that video some day - displaying what an F-35 can do when pushing the edge...

But one might ponder too while we're at it... what handling and performance would look like between an F-16XL+ (upgraded 32k thrust engine) and F-35 - but each loaded with 6 AAM and 12 500lb'ers :shock:
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Unread post20 Oct 2011, 09:35

On that topic, does anyone know of any flanker displays with weapons + tanks? I can't seem to find any.
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Unread post20 Oct 2011, 10:10

munny wrote:On that topic, does anyone know of any flanker displays with weapons + tanks? I can't seem to find any.


Dude, we all know that the Russian TVC aircraft are airshow tumblers meant to fool dumba$$ 3rd world $itheads into buying Sukhoi. They can jump around all they want, but they can't out-turn an expanding-rod warhead. Fact is, whoever sees the other guy first is probably gonna win. You absolutely can't judge an aircraft by an airshow display.
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Unread post20 Oct 2011, 15:25

cola wrote:
SpudmanWP wrote:Let's see:
29.3k OEW
4.5k Airshow Fuel (25% internal)
43k max thrust F135
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1.27 T/W ratio... sounds good to me.

Sounds great, but how do you figure you'll fly a 7 min. demo, with 3 min. worth of fuel, in AB?


Seeing as how the entire display won't require afterburner usage, I don't see what the problem is.
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Unread post20 Oct 2011, 17:39

geogen wrote:
johnwill wrote:Why don't we load up both airplanes with two 2000 lb bombs and 18,000 lb of fuel, then compare agility? Or speed? Or max g? Or max roll rate? Or range?


Fair comeback, johnwill. If fully fueled (F-16 w/ 2x CFT) and w/ 2 AAM and 2 2k lb'ers each, F-35 should out cruise and and likely out air-show the F-16 imho.

I guess the point being, if in a maxed-out ACM configuration, say 2 AAM each and clean w/ relevant internal fuel load, then some of us at least will be anticipating that video some day - displaying what an F-35 can do when pushing the edge...

But one might ponder too while we're at it... what handling and performance would look like between an F-16XL+ (upgraded 32k thrust engine) and F-35 - but each loaded with 6 AAM and 12 500lb'ers :shock:


At 72, I'm hoping to live long enough to see an F-35 airshow, clean or loaded.

No fair bringing up the XL, as you well know.
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Unread post20 Oct 2011, 20:36

Hopefully the Marines will do a serious airshow routine to commemorate their IOC in 2014/15.
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Unread post21 Oct 2011, 03:30

At 72, I'm hoping to live long enough to see an F-35 airshow, clean or loaded.


I'm just hoping to live to be 72. :D

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Unread post21 Oct 2011, 05:53

OL, here's hoping you far surpass 72, as I have every intention of doing.
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Unread post22 Oct 2011, 03:24

72? I raise a glass to ya :cheers: :beer: :pint: :applause:
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Unread post22 Oct 2011, 04:29

I'd propose a meet up at F-35's first public airshow. God speed.
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Unread post23 Oct 2011, 02:39

Prop me up against the jukebox.
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Unread post23 Oct 2011, 03:14

I'll be the one with the drool
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Unread post23 Oct 2011, 03:22

I'm only 32, but starting to wonder if I'll live to see the F-35 at an airshow. Sorry, I know better than that, but the news just seems so bad on all fronts. Seems that money has gotten tight just in time for all our cold war stuff to wear out. Wanna be real depressed? Just take a look at the Navy's fleet/ship-building status. :(
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