Chinese Flankers got busted by Turkish F-16s

Agreed, it will never be a fair fight but how would the F-16 match up against the ... ?
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Unread post17 Oct 2010, 19:16

Even the american fabricated F-16s weren't engaged in the exercise, some F-16C/CJs(block30 and 40 assemblyed by turkey) participated against PLAAF flankers. It is said that both sides managed some BVR kills, but when F-16s were closing in, the flankers were surprised by the agility and the sustain turn rate of falcons. They can survive no more than 2 minutes before F-16s got on their six.
My friends transmitted these photos to me via msn, so I don't even know the source either.
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Unread post17 Oct 2010, 22:28

Nothing like a good slow fight down low.

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Unread post18 Oct 2010, 05:26

Anothe hud view of the lock
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Unread post18 Oct 2010, 09:50

are you sure this are from Viper HUDs?
thougt Turkey exercised just with F4 :roll:

"To the best of our knowledge, U.S.-made F-16s were not involved in the exercise," Parker said. She referred a caller to the Turkish government for details of the maneuvers.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/i ... 08?sp=true
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Unread post18 Oct 2010, 14:03

Is that convenient for you to throw light on the source for these photos you posted above.Usually they are not supposed to be released to the public so early. :D
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Unread post19 Oct 2010, 07:19

seems like a F-16 HUD
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Unread post19 Oct 2010, 15:03

Are these pics snagged from Turkish Air Force's F-16? We knew that USAF also has several Su-27s or certainly are able to borrow some Su-27s.
On the other hand, is this time a chance for PLAAF applying more budget of their next generation fighter by fall in F-16's locker purposely?
Even years ago, USAF F-15 lost that confrontation with Su-27 deliberately, India didn't unveil their UHD pix of the F-15 locked in.
I think therefor I am
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Unread post20 Oct 2010, 06:29

False news
image from this video

[youtube]ry3HQQvIUjI [/youtube]

F-16 vs Mig 29
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Unread post20 Oct 2010, 08:36

81915 wrote:False news
image from this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3HQQvIUjI
F-16 vs Mig 29


Yeah! You got him bro!:lol:
His third pic "lock27-4.jpg" was cut form 1:53 of this video!
lol why is this loser (or his “friend" :wink: ) fake all these?
What for?
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Unread post20 Oct 2010, 08:52

Even the american fabricated F-16s weren't engaged in the exercise, some F-16C/CJs(block30 and 40 assemblyed by turkey) participated against PLAAF flankers. It is said that both sides managed some BVR kills, but when F-16s were closing in, the flankers were surprised by the agility and the sustain turn rate of falcons. They can survive no more than 2 minutes before F-16s got on their six.
My friends transmitted these photos to me via msn, so I don't even know the source either.


81915 wrote:
False news
image from this video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3HQQvIUjI
F-16 vs Mig 29


Yeah! u got him bro!Laughing
His third pic "lock27-4.jpg" was cut form 1:53 of this video!
lol why is this loser (or his “friend" Wink ) fake all these?
What for?


Wow sounds like a good story! What else did ur "friend" told u? Mr.Gta4?
We want to hear more about how "chinese flankers got busted"! :P
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Unread post20 Oct 2010, 13:14

Looks similar, but I wouldn't be to sure about this. At least the first 2 HUD shots in this thread look like a Su-27. The sleeker front, wing and tail planes planform look different to those of the MiG-29 and in that video you can usually recognise the MiG-29 quite well.
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Unread post29 Oct 2010, 05:50

The Su-27 isn't more maneuverable than the MiG-29, I doubt the outcome in such a dogfight would be different depending on if the aircraft was a Su-27 or MiG-29. BVR may be another matter.
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Unread post27 Nov 2010, 20:37

I think the Su-27s have a lower wing loading and higher T/W ratio than the MiG-29s
And the Sukhoi has a lower wing loading than the F-16 block 30, but the F-16 might have a better thrust to weight.
But there's a big fudge factor there as that number depends on how much fuel the Su-27 has and missile load (up to 10 IR and RH missiles).
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Unread post09 Mar 2011, 05:59

only know of 2 countries that fought the Sukhois .. and its the seriously potent MKIs ;) of the IAF
the viper was dead meat in less than 1 turn ..
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Unread post09 Sep 2012, 12:15

Only the third pic is proven to be a mig29. The other two are possibly from grec 92 exercise, where f15 f16 and Su27 were bidding for the grec next gen. fighter jet competition. The exercise showed significantly higher agility and lower energy bleeding rate for the viper.
Here is another lock-on from the HUD footage showing the struggle of a flanker, hope you enjoy it.





phi1988 wrote:
Even the american fabricated F-16s weren't engaged in the exercise, some F-16C/CJs(block30 and 40 assemblyed by turkey) participated against PLAAF flankers. It is said that both sides managed some BVR kills, but when F-16s were closing in, the flankers were surprised by the agility and the sustain turn rate of falcons. They can survive no more than 2 minutes before F-16s got on their six.
My friends transmitted these photos to me via msn, so I don't even know the source either.


81915 wrote:
False news
image from this video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry3HQQvIUjI
F-16 vs Mig 29


Yeah! u got him bro!Laughing
His third pic "lock27-4.jpg" was cut form 1:53 of this video!
lol why is this loser (or his “friend" Wink ) fake all these?
What for?


Wow sounds like a good story! What else did ur "friend" told u? Mr.Gta4?
We want to hear more about how "chinese flankers got busted"! :P
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