AEC Jobs Saudi Arabia

Unread postPosted: 12 May 2009, 14:41
by duckwheat
:lol: Please refer to the topic below to get rest of the story--->Warning about F-15 jobs, AEC, Saudi Arabia.

Most of the original topic is pretty much true, but there is much more hidden truths to the story. :cry:

There are quite a few jobs available here through Aviation Recruiting and other recruiting agaencies. There are 135 jobs available at this link:

http://www.aviationrecruiting.net/candi ... ntl/saudi/

Come on over:

If you can take the endless abount of incompetent administrative servies (HR), delays in getting your IL, HL, bonuses, lost paperwork, no assistance from getting feedback on the status of your dependents' VISA, providing absolutely no assistance in case they don't accept your marriage or birth certificates, not paying for residence VISAs, delaying RSAF directed medical and eye exams.
:cry:
There are no policies and procedures, HR just makes up his their own rules---as long as it is saving the company money--- which eventually ends up in HR's pocket. Just visit the site, and we will take care of the rest. Thanks for reading this and have a nice day. :wink:

RE: AEC Jobs Saudi Arabia

Unread postPosted: 21 Oct 2009, 02:36
by user_name
One thing that that the above post has failed to mention is the complete idiocy of the Saudis. These guys are so retarded that I no longer believe they are responsible for 9/11. I don't believe any Saudi possesses the intellect to pull off a massive attack with the coordination of several dozen others individuals. I just honestly don't believe it can be done, they are THAT stupid.....and lazy. Financed by Saudis; yea, maybe.

If you were to accept a job working in the armpit of the world and had the pleasure of working with a dozen morons that want to kill you, you will find you are responsible for everything wrong in your shop, even if it happened 5 years before you showed up. No Saudi can do anything wrong, so everything ends up being your fault and you will be constantly ostracized about your work. You will be blamed because most Saudis are just too stupid and lazy to learn anything remotely technical, besides, of course, watching porn on their cell phones. If you point out a mistake a Saudi makes, you will be threatened with termination. If you request a Saudi to do their job, you will be threatened with termination. If you show up to work and do your job while keeping your mouth shut, eventually they will threaten you with termination. Nothing you do will be right.

Add all of that to the already mentioned laundry list of crap you have to put up with from the goof-balls in AEC, and you will probably come to the conclusion that the pay check just isn't worth it. A few individuals can last more than a year or two; they have patients I can't even begin to comprehend. Kudos to them. But as for the rest of us, you will find yourself looking for the nearest bridge to hang yourself from. (It's between Dhahran and Bahrain, FYI).

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Unread postPosted: 21 Oct 2009, 11:17
by JoeSambor
Simply an unbelievable post. Inevitably, though, you tip off your intelligence level...you figure out how, I don't have the "patients" to do so. You have a lot of nerve calling anybody stupid.

Comments like yours have no place in any forum except for the Hate web sites. Why don't you go to some of those and post your crap? Don't forget to use your real name, if you have the balls to.

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Unread postPosted: 21 Oct 2009, 20:08
by os7
user_name: so right; disregard the above post by Sambor... guys like that are all over the forums.

Below is an example of life in Saudi back in the mid to late eighties. Having worked for the company (Peace Sun Program - worker/promoted to management in-country), the below figures are dead-on as is the attitude of Saudi's and management (American) described by user_name. I am not attempting to sway an opinion but to offer facts as a worker and then manager.

Past experience shows a company makes six figures per year, per employee (then McDonnell Douglas) made $125K per sign-on. Flight line employees were paid, and I'm talking strictly APG now, $50K, that included housing, and transportation to and from work, house hold storage in a environmentally controlled facility (stateside), medical, (unless you were retired military), and dental. The employee paid for food (wife, kids if he had any) plus, you paid for your private vehicle, if you elected to purchase one. You could take the shuttle to and from work and downtown to do shopping (there's your transportation). Remember kids, there is the good ol' boy factor working in each and every one of these overseas assignments, so be forewarned. Mind you, the above is some 25 years past, but as you cruise through the net you will find nothing has changed except the name of the companies that hold the present contract. The housing and compounds are quite adequate and safe, but you will be living and working with the same people EVERY day. Again, this is some 20 years past; retirees had a loathing for the "Air Force 4 year dropouts" although the dropouts performed all the manual labor. Keep your personal business to yourself and never let on to much about yourself… food for thought. One last note, take home pay was $36K tax free.

RE: AEC Jobs Saudi Arabia

Unread postPosted: 22 Oct 2009, 01:24
by user_name
os7,

Actually I worked in Saudi fairly recently and I found no resentment of "4 year dropouts" by retirees. We had a large portion of retirees on the compound and a good number of 1 term enlistees and pretty much everyone got along fine. The people I met from the compound were actually one of the things I really liked about living there (well, except the horrible management personnel that has been mentioned above).

Oh, and I'm not saying that 100% of the Saudis I met were special-ed. There were a few who were well educated and actually had some common sense, and who I could talk to about current events, politics, and even religion without anyone getting upset. There was probably 3 or 4 that I genuinely enjoyed talking to, and who were able to share their culture with me and mine with them, and who I actually wouldn't mind seeing again someday (though I know I won't).

Let me re-phrase my original statement that MOST of them are so retarded I don't believe Saudis are responsible for 9/11. With that little edit, I stand by my original post.

Unread postPosted: 01 Dec 2009, 15:04
by splitz
Ya know, I've been down here in Khamis on the AEC contract since March 2009, and I have experienced no problems with AEC.

1. Always been paid at the end of the month on time.
2. IL paid on time.
3. No arguments about vacation/sick time off
4. Stable work environments
5. Shuttles to and from King Khalid, never late, always on time.
6. Compound could be better, but it's fuckin' Saudi Arabia for Christs Sake.

What do you expect?? Nobody comes over here for the scenery or for the enjoyment of the job. You come out here for 1 reason $$$$$. If you come out here for any other reason, move on.

Are the Saudi's lazy?? Yup. Do they give a sh*t about maintenance?? Nope. Is it amazing everytime I see an F15 take off??? Yup.

This is my work hours:

0700-0800 - Breakfast at the snack bar with about 30 other contractors
0800-1100 - "Work"
1100-1230 - Lunch
1230-1430 - "Work"

I'm back at the compound and in my apartment by 1500 everyday.

With 6 weeks paid vacation (30 days personal, 2 weeks Ramadan Eid/Hajj) + Saudi National Day...come on.

REALLY?? How can you complain?? As long as AEC meets their contractual obligations on pay/lodging/transportation/vacation you really can't complain. Just keep your head low, show your face to RSAF Management and you are good to go.

Also, alcohol is a problem down here in Khamis, if you can control yourself, it shouldn't be a problem.

Is it perfect??? Nope. But seriously...what do you expect??

If you signed a contract to work out here, and you signed it with the pay on your contract, you have no right to bitch about it. Stay out of situations that would require your name to go on that aircraft to be MC. Simple as that. Pick and chose your battles, don't make waves with the RSAF. If you want to, at least wait a few months after your arrival.

Now, those that have experience problems, sh*t happens. Even in large corporations this kinda crap happens. I've heard horror stories about MDC and Boeing about similar sh*t happening. The Saudi's just suck at making decisions and will always tell you "bookara inshalla", well, stay on them. The effort on your part and being a pain in the a$$ on theirs, will make them do their job, JUST to get you out of their face.

*Dons flame suit*

Unread postPosted: 01 Dec 2009, 15:28
by os7
splitz wrote:Ya know, I've been down here in Khamis on the AEC contract since March 2009, and I have experienced no problems with AEC. [...]


Most honest and straight forward assessment I've read so far. Got a website to submit a resume? Thnx. OS.

Unread postPosted: 01 Dec 2009, 16:08
by splitz
os7 wrote:Most honest and straight forward assessment I've read so far. Got a website to submit a resume? Thnx. OS.


Rumor has it, that AEC will not be hiring anybody after 15Dec2009 because they will be in their 3rd and final year of the contract with the RSAF. There is no way you could be out here before then and sign the contract (if the rumor is true). Signing the offer letter doesn't count, since your contract start date would be probably after the beginning of the New Year, but I'll dig around.

Try:

www.aviationrecruiting.com
www.orioninternational.com (who got me placed).

I do not know current availability of positions, but I'm sure there must be critical jobs that they need to fill, even with the possible hiring freeze.

It also depends on what job you are doing, your previous AFSC in the USAF, discharge characterization, and your current skill level. Exceptions from what I've seen, can be made. Again, all depends on how desperate AEC is at filling a position. Any position they don't keep filled, they have to pay back the RSAF that money.

Unread postPosted: 01 Dec 2009, 16:16
by os7
I'll check the above web sites and see what can be had. Completed four years in Saudi back in 87... Sounds likes nothings changed as far as contracts go. Appreciate the above and getting back with me.

reply to splitz

Unread postPosted: 03 Dec 2009, 19:20
by user_name
splitz wrote:Ya know, I've been down here in Khamis on the AEC contract since March 2009, and I have experienced no problems with AEC. [...]

Well you were/are in Khamis. I was in Dhahran. I'm glad you guys in Khamis have had such luck, but over at Dhahran the whole problem was AEC not fullfilling their contract at every turn. Maybe you had far better supervision than we did but when you have people like we had in HR and other supervisory areas things just don't work. Obligations on pay/lodging/transportation/vacation etc were exactly the things that AEC failed miserably at in Dhahran.

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Unread postPosted: 21 Feb 2010, 05:31
by the_hammer
It is in its final closing months of the AEC / ATTI empire. The Liars and cheaters will soon all be gone. Let hope that the next company will be better; That maybe they will be more honest and open about issues. This current company has been feeding us lies from the beginning and will be to the bitter end. The management has that worried look on their faces while gulping down that hot cup of chai. They know their days are numbered.

Charles "The Hammer" Martel

The worst company in the world to work for!!!!

Unread postPosted: 22 Feb 2010, 08:28
by solonaz
If you are going to Khamis plan on being screwed with! The management is Saudi's. The head American when I was there was spineless and would screw the other Americans in a heartbeat! The Money is not worth going really! The Apartments are okay, not as good as when we had the trailers and villas. There are a few Good Saudi's there, But for the most part they are dumber then dirt. There are a few really Good Americans there but then there are a lot of P.O.S.'s
Do not plan on getting your 30 days paid sick leave...... You cannot use it even when you are sick........ Others ruined that for everyone.
If you are wanting money look into Battlespace.com. I guess they pay very well for the four month tour in Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Unread postPosted: 22 Feb 2010, 08:42
by the_hammer
Ditto Agree with the above statement.
If you go to ANY Base inside the Majic Kingdown this is what happens when you have a Saudi as manager of a company. Now Thats Any Company including those that are not in the Defense Industry. Just Look at the poor souls that work for Zahran making very little money maybe 300 Sr a month. They end up selling sodas and water and sandwhiches and washing cars to make up for the loss.

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Unread postPosted: 25 Feb 2010, 17:42
by hisense
Hmmmm.... Ireland to Saudi Arabia :/

I don't think so.

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Unread postPosted: 16 Mar 2010, 16:24
by splitz
solonaz wrote:If you are going to Khamis plan on being screwed with! The management is Saudi's. The head American when I was there was spineless and would screw the other Americans in a heartbeat! The Money is not worth going really! The Apartments are okay, not as good as when we had the trailers and villas. There are a few Good Saudi's there, But for the most part they are dumber then dirt. There are a few really Good Americans there but then there are a lot of P.O.S.'s
Do not plan on getting your 30 days paid sick leave...... You cannot use it even when you are sick........ Others ruined that for everyone.
If you are wanting money look into Battlespace.com. I guess they pay very well for the four month tour in Iraq or Afghanistan.


In regards to your comment about the "sick days", this is a fallacy. You can't complain about the company not allowing sick days when there are MORE than a handful of contractors taking advantage of "sick days". Contractor would call in "sick" then be spotted at the souks f*cking off shopping, and rumor has it, this happened on multiple occasions. So the Head American made a decision and it was backed up by the AEC management. Can't blame the company.

2nd situation was the compound doctor was being "paid" for signing sick days (even for not being sic), so the company said you had to goto the hospital to get 2 days off at a time.

Can't blame the company, but the dumba$$ employees that were f*cking it up for the rest of everybody else. I was actually sick twice, and instead of going through the hassle of the hospital, I notified my RSAF management and they took care of it for me. Its all about how you go about things.

I am in no way cheering AEC and their decisions, however, play devils advocate and listen to the contractors that have been on the contract since before AEC and they will tell you that history prevails in this situation.

To anybody that considers this contract: Decide on what you want $ or "other crap". Take opinions (even my own) with a grain of salt. I was an "easy employee", did my job, stayed out of trouble and it worked out for me. If you are a drunkard, cause problems for the RSAF, cause problems on the compound, your experience will be different. As 2 previous co-workers found out a month ago when they beat up a Filipina on the compound.

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Unread postPosted: 18 Mar 2010, 13:19
by F31CrewDawg
Splitz, you make a great deal of sense. Taking sick days and then being seen downtown---not good.I worked for Alsalam and walked the chalk line. I took sick days when needed, but would never dare leave the compound. BTW was that a filipina or filipino. 2 guys beating up 1 chick must have been something behind the scenes. Peace out.

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Unread postPosted: 22 Mar 2010, 16:42
by splitz
Yes, these 2 individuals did the lowest of the low, brought a Filipina on the compound (the FEMALE VERSION) they weren't "nice" enough, then ended up in the local hospital with fractured skull. This is the type of behavior the American Contractors have while in the Kingdom, and this wasn't an isolated occurrence with these 2 individuals.

This happened about a week before I left Khamis, last I heard, the situation had been forwarded to RSAF HQ in Riyadh, but don't know what actually happened.

If I had it my way, there would have been a lynch mob on both drunks.

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Unread postPosted: 23 Mar 2010, 03:19
by F31CrewDawg
Its not really the lowest of the low. When I was in Kingdom, guys brought them on the compound all the time. Nothing new or despicable here. BTW Im narried to a pinoy, so I don't have axe to grind. Anyway I heard some bad things about Khamis. Someone said it was a little oligarchy. Lot of whining from the dependents. I don't know, heresay maybe. Hope the filipina gets better, and tell her to choose more wisely.

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Unread postPosted: 03 Jun 2010, 08:19
by templar_knight
There is news spreading around really fast to All the F-15 TSP bases that the reason why No One had received any pay raises during the reign of AEC was due to a certain White Shirt that is happening to be going TDY to Red Flag 2010, The Money is being used to pay for his 5 Star Hotel Accomedations and First Class Airline tickets. Due to this the company is Low on Funds.
He is providing discounts to any Saudi's that are looking for Escort girls.............Gambling tips will be provided for a small fee. :cheers: :pint:

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Unread postPosted: 03 Jun 2010, 13:49
by os7
templar_knight wrote:There is news spreading around really fast to All the F-15 TSP bases that the reason why No One had received any pay raises during the reign of AEC was due to a certain White Shirt that is happening to be going TDY to Red Flag 2010, The Money is being used to pay for his 5 Star Hotel Accomedations and First Class Airline tickets. Due to this the company is Low on Funds.
He is providing discounts to any Saudi's that are looking for Escort girls.............Gambling tips will be provided for a small fee. :cheers: :pint:


I gather from the above post that the "WS" has returned to active duty? How about a name to go along with the rumor?

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Unread postPosted: 04 Jun 2010, 04:56
by templar_knight
Just ask around and see who is going to Red Flag 2010 you might find that person. :twisted:

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Unread postPosted: 13 Jun 2010, 17:47
by splitz
templar_knight wrote:There is news spreading around really fast to All the F-15 TSP bases that the reason why No One had received any pay raises during the reign of AEC was due to a certain White Shirt that is happening to be going TDY to Red Flag 2010, The Money is being used to pay for his 5 Star Hotel Accomedations and First Class Airline tickets. Due to this the company is Low on Funds.
He is providing discounts to any Saudi's that are looking for Escort girls.............Gambling tips will be provided for a small fee. :cheers: :pint:


Who cares?? Does it really matter at this point anyway? AEC lost the rebid contract to Al Salaam anyway. If the TSP workers want, they can re-negotiate their contract when it changes hand come December 2010. Its not difficult.

AEC f***d themselves and most TSP employees over by severely underbidding back in 2007. Good riddance to AEC in my opinion. I'm no longer in the Kingdom, but I do know quite a few individuals that applaud this change, but its funny, most of them applauded the change from Al Salaam to AEC back in 2007. LOL

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Unread postPosted: 18 Jun 2010, 07:03
by templar_knight
Latest Update on the White Shirt thats going to Red Flag 2010...
AEC had to cancel ALL TDY's for EVERYONE ELSE in the company in order for this certain White Shirt to go TDY to Vegas to stay in a 5 Star Hotel.

With a little over 180 days left for AEC the company can no longer afford any more TDY's only for this Sorry a$$ of a White Shirt. :devil: :twisted:

Alsalam Worse Than AEC

Unread postPosted: 17 Nov 2011, 05:09
by bud345
Whenever this contract rolled over to Alsalam in Jan 2011 all of us had to move to new compounds, singles went to Jazala 2 in Dammam and married with families went to Jazala 1 in Dhahran. The problem with the move at J2 is that you have to share a villa with the British or another American. At the Jadawel compund everyone had their own villa regardless of your status. There is NO security in J1 and your living with other Arabs with noisy children running around all hours of the day and it could be a prime target for terrorists since it is very close to the main highway. J2 on the other hand is has very good security, but it is very far from most shopping areas---you basically need a car since the shopping bus only runs 3 times a week. Alsalam took away our HL and IL (Home Leave) and (Incentive Leave) , and replaced it with a 500SR monthly payment for you and your dependents. TJ is the site supervisor at Dhahran and his HR dept is run by Saudis, which means your paperwork for pay, visa, drivers licenses,doesn't get processed in a timely manner and sometimes it is lost and forgotten when it goes to Riyad. Alsalm is also putting people that the RSAF has found them to be FUs and put them in other F-15 positions that they have no experience doing. My advice is to stay away from Alsalam.

Saudi

Unread postPosted: 09 Mar 2012, 03:43
by mc5wes
I see the jobs listed on JSFirm all the time. Are they really only paying 36K a year?

Thats what I was making in At Taif 21 years ago with Agusta.