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Unread post24 Nov 2019, 09:30

boilermaker wrote:So in there the Su-35S Pesa in narrow mode can detect a F15 at 500 miles. Any chance to throw an anti radiation missile at this goon while in passive mode?


Only Russians have A-A antirad missile BUT I think it is only usable against E-3 or similar aircraft. I didn't read on net R-27P can be used against much weaker radars, also precision of such missile is quite questionable, good enough for E-3 but for smaller targets I don't think it works.
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Unread post25 Nov 2019, 03:33

Sounds like the US maybe finally running out of patience....


U.S. Warns Turkey, Egypt About Purchase Of Russian Military Equipment


WASHINGTON -- A senior State Department official has lashed out at Turkey and Egypt for military deals they have struck with Russia, warning of sanctions against the U.S. allies if they don’t reverse course.

The official, who briefed reporters on the condition of anonymity, said on November 21 that Ankara had to "get rid of” the Russian-supplied S-400 missile defense system -- which it has purchased and started to take delivery on -- if it wants to improve ties with Washington.

Turkey, a NATO member, received a first batch of the missile defense systems in July, prompting the United States to kick Turkey off its F-35 fighter jet program.

U.S. and NATO military officials have long opposed Turkey's purchase of the S-400 from Russia, saying it was not compatible with alliance military systems and would endanger new F-35 jets used by the West.

The United States says Russia will be able to acquire sensitive technical details about the new U.S. warplane if it is operated alongside the S-400.

Washington has pressed Turkey to drop its purchase of the Russian system and to instead purchase the U.S.-made Patriot system, but Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has refused to back down, even at the risk of sanctions.

President Donald Trump hosted Erdogan at the White House last week in a meeting that Trump called "wonderful."

But it was unclear if progress had been made on the S-400 issue, and Erdogan later said he told Trump that Turkey would not give up on the Russian system and cited strong ties with Moscow.

The State Department official, who said he was aware of Erdogan's remarks, told reporters that "there is room for Turkey to come back to the table. They know that to make this work they need to either destroy or return or somehow get rid of the S-400."

"They [the Turks] know that they have the choice to move forward, and the choice is to rid themselves of the S-400 so that we can move forward," he said.

The official added that the imposition of U.S. sanctions under Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) was still a possibility.


The official also said that the United States was working with Egypt to deter it from proceeding with a $2 billion deal to buy more than 20 Su-35 Russian fighter jets.

The official said that “we've also been transparent with them in that if they are to acquire a significant Russian platform...that puts them at risk towards sanctions."

"They know this and we're working through it with them," the official said. "This is something we've not completely reconciled yet but they’re acutely aware of what they’re putting at risk."


Washington has told Cairo that using the Su-35 and other Russian weapons systems could pose a threat to a country's ability to operate jointly with U.S. and NATO militaries in the event of a crisis.

While not a NATO member, Egypt has over the years received billions of dollars in economic and military aid from the United States and is considered a long-time ally in the unstable Middle East region and its military operates the U.S.-supplied F-16 fighter jet.

With reporting by Reuters

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Unread post25 Nov 2019, 05:15

boilermaker wrote:https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78157585_1458627757608420_1690897047835639808_o.png?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=TnsuJAoiESoAQmJiVj6lMu0NoLXJNUn6Min9B0asSe0vfs6RjFqXk1oRA&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=5e590777d20a7bb81873033ba238f792&oe=5E844C75

So in there the Su-35S Pesa in narrow mode can detect a F15 at 500 miles. Any chance to throw an anti radiation missile at this goon while in passive mode?


540km which is 335 miles. Seems optimistic to me.

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Unread post25 Nov 2019, 06:20

The F-35 is said to have a lower RCS than the F-22. Especially, from the frontal aspect. Let alone the F-16....


So, I wouldn't take the source as being very accurate..... :?
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Unread post25 Nov 2019, 15:16

Those figures sound REAL questionable if you ask me..

The SU-35's PESA is crazy powerful, but the figures being thrown around here border on the absurd IMO. But back to the topic at hand... I can understand sanctions vs. Turkey. They've been told repeatedly not to field the S-400, or they won't get the F-35. They did so anyway, so no F-35 for them - plus sanctions if purchasing the SU-35 (rather doubt the SU-57 is affordable).

As far as Egypt goes, I can't really see how we can fault/sanction them. They've been asking for the F-15 forever. We refused to sell it to them. And it's pretty clear they won't be getting the F-35 anytime soon either. Hell we won't even sell BVR AMRAAM's for use with their F-16's. So if they want/need a high end, heavy air superiority platform - why can't they order the SU-35?? At best, it'll be on par with Israeli F-15's and certainly won't be a match for their F-35's.

The way I'm reading this, we're putting some real handcuffs on Egypt. Seems to me this would have the effect of them turning more away from us, after a long and hard fought campaign to win their favor...
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Unread post26 Nov 2019, 01:12

mixelflick wrote:Those figures sound REAL questionable if you ask me..

The SU-35's PESA is crazy powerful, but the figures being thrown around here border on the absurd IMO. But back to the topic at hand... I can understand sanctions vs. Turkey. They've been told repeatedly not to field the S-400, or they won't get the F-35. They did so anyway, so no F-35 for them - plus sanctions if purchasing the SU-35 (rather doubt the SU-57 is affordable).

As far as Egypt goes, I can't really see how we can fault/sanction them. They've been asking for the F-15 forever. We refused to sell it to them. And it's pretty clear they won't be getting the F-35 anytime soon either. Hell we won't even sell BVR AMRAAM's for use with their F-16's. So if they want/need a high end, heavy air superiority platform - why can't they order the SU-35?? At best, it'll be on par with Israeli F-15's and certainly won't be a match for their F-35's.

The way I'm reading this, we're putting some real handcuffs on Egypt. Seems to me this would have the effect of them turning more away from us, after a long and hard fought campaign to win their favor...


Yes, I agree with you above.
Moreover Turkey is a NATO country while Egypt is not. That IMO should also make all the diference.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post26 Nov 2019, 06:05

mixelflick wrote:
As far as Egypt goes, I can't really see how we can fault/sanction them. They've been asking for the F-15 forever. We refused to sell it to them. And it's pretty clear they won't be getting the F-35 anytime soon either. Hell we won't even sell BVR AMRAAM's for use with their F-16's. So if they want/need a high end, heavy air superiority platform - why can't they order the SU-35?? At best, it'll be on par with Israeli F-15's and certainly won't be a match for their F-35's.

The way I'm reading this, we're putting some real handcuffs on Egypt. Seems to me this would have the effect of them turning more away from us, after a long and hard fought campaign to win their favor...


Egypt get's a vast amount of US Aid. So, clearly the US has a lot of "say" on the subject and rightly so! If, Egypt no longer wants US Aid. They're of course free to buy from whomever they like...

In addition the issue isn't just that Egypt wants to buy Non-US Equipment. They want to buy equipment from Russia. Which, is not just a competitor but more to the point an adversary!

Remember, Egypt recently acquired weapons from France in the form of Fighters (Rafales) and Frigates (FREMM). Issue wasn't really until they started to buy and look at more Russia Equipment.
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Unread post26 Nov 2019, 06:57

Corsair1963 wrote:The F-35 is said to have a lower RCS than the F-22. Especially, from the frontal aspect. Let alone the F-16....


So, I wouldn't take the source as being very accurate..... :?


I havent read or heard anywhere of the F-35 having a lower RCS frontal aspect than the F-22. Most I've heard of anything of the sorts was Gen Hostage stating that the F-35 has a lower RCS, he never got into the specifics. I am always under the assumption that the F-22 has the best optimal RCS while the F-35 has the better overall RCS.

And yes, that diagram seems a bit bogus to me.
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Unread post26 Nov 2019, 07:05

charlielima223 wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:The F-35 is said to have a lower RCS than the F-22. Especially, from the frontal aspect. Let alone the F-16....


So, I wouldn't take the source as being very accurate..... :?


I havent read or heard anywhere of the F-35 having a lower RCS frontal aspect than the F-22. Most I've heard of anything of the sorts was Gen Hostage stating that the F-35 has a lower RCS, he never got into the specifics. I am always under the assumption that the F-22 has the best optimal RCS while the F-35 has the better overall RCS.

And yes, that diagram seems a bit bogus to me.


Widely reported....


QUOTE: The F-35 is reported to be stealthier than the F-22 from the front, although it is generally said to have a less uniform RCS than the F-22. If true, the F-35 probably has a one-to-two order of magnitude advantage in stealth over the J-20,

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