Russian Air Defense Systems unable to detect F-35!

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Unread post19 Sep 2019, 06:44

Russian S-300 and S-400 air defense systems unable to detect Israeli warplanes flying over Syria

Wednesday, September 18, 2019 4:00:02 PM


Russian S-300 and S-400 missile systems, which are considered one of the most advanced air defense weapons in the world, failed to detect Israeli warplanes flying over Damascus.

The Israeli news outlet NZIV, citing a number of military sources, published the flight route of the Israeli warplanes, which struck eastern Syria. As it turned out, the Israeli Air Force planes , which, according to some reports, were F-35s, not only entered the Syrian airspace, but also flew for almost several hundred kilometers over the area covered by Russian S-400 and Syrian S-300 air defense systems.

NZIV writes that another attack by the Israeli Air Force puts in question the effectiveness of Russian air and missile defense systems. The previous day, two Israeli warplanes were able to enter the Syrian air space without any hindrance. Given the fact that Russia had previously warned Netanyahu of its readiness to respond adequately, it seems that the Russian air defense systems simply did not notice the Israeli warplanes.

During the Israel’s attack, Russian warplanes also did not attempt to intercept the Israeli F-35s, which may indicate that Russian stealth detection systems simply failed.

http://uawire.org/media-russian-s-300-a ... vQ3jzX_rN4
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Unread post19 Sep 2019, 06:50

EGO DAN (Ergodan) will take note one hopes but then again given his recent track record one hopes not? OH DEARIE ME!
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Unread post19 Sep 2019, 08:02

Just shows trading F-35's for S-400's is beyond "stupidity". :shock:
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Unread post19 Sep 2019, 11:11

Honest question here:
- Is anyone here (with "anyone" I mean the usual members) really, really surprised with this?

I'm asking this because honestly, I'm not.
(every piece of evidence and calculations lead to the exact same conclusion)
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post19 Sep 2019, 11:27

These Israeli F-35s are venturing as far as the Syria/Iraq border undetected.

https://nziv.net/31374/

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This is what F-35s were designed for and are executing well in real combat. Just in time for any possible Iran strikes too with their outrageous attack on Saudi Arabia.

Regarding Turkey preferring S-400 to F-35 I think they took the calculated decision to trade off offense for defense, i.e. their apparent need/desire for a ballistic defense system.
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Unread post19 Sep 2019, 12:29

ricnunes wrote:Honest question here:
- Is anyone here (with "anyone" I mean the usual members) really, really surprised with this?

I'm asking this because honestly, I'm not.
(every piece of evidence and calculations lead to the exact same conclusion)


I was about to post... you don't say?

OTOH, this is the 2nd time that Israel has made a point to say "the F-35 was in your back yard last night, and you didn't even know it". That may be true, it may not be. What is true is that it probably has a deep psychological impact on the enemy. Very unnerving.

Tough to prove a negative though, that's the problem. I tend to believe it, given its consistent with what we've seen/heard from its performance in Red Flag (and pilot commentary from airshow pilots I've spoken with, that have flown against it). Wouldn't want to be the enemy, that's for sure.
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Unread post19 Sep 2019, 19:38

The response from the Russiapower fanclub will be the usual...
those weren't Russian users and there for they are poorly trained and qualified

Gee... I wonder who trains them?
Those are export models. They dont have all the capabilities and features of real Russian systems and platforms

So Russia is a crooked salesman then?

We'll probably hear or read this as a cover...
They weren't operating at their full capacity because they don't want to show what they can really do. Also they were in passive mode collecting all that data about the F-35
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Unread post19 Sep 2019, 19:50

Given that Russia flew them in specifically, with great fanfare, and are operating them (Syria didn't buy those S-400s) call me skeptical.
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Unread post20 Sep 2019, 13:57



Swedish Defence Research Agency's Dalsjö on Realities vs Hype About Russia's Military Capabilities
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Unread post20 Sep 2019, 14:57

jetblast16 wrote:

Swedish Defence Research Agency's Dalsjö on Realities vs Hype About Russia's Military Capabilities


Excellent interview. People needs to see through Russian misinformation.
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Unread post20 Sep 2019, 15:12

can we get a summary for people who are unable to listen right now?
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Unread post20 Sep 2019, 15:51

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:can we get a summary for people who are unable to listen right now?


S-400 range drastically over stated, as new missile not yet delivered, hence using S-300 missile still. China really pissed at not receiving promised capabilities. Russia claimed a load of missile was lost in a storm in the English channel (no missiles found afterwards)

Practical range for low flying targets about 20km (Turns out earth ain't flat)

Plus a lot of specific info about individual missiles and systems.
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Unread post20 Sep 2019, 15:58

interesting. Thanks.
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Unread post20 Sep 2019, 17:03

Ok guys. First of all and in all sincerity, I doubt you are doing any good to yourselves if you take extremely politicized claims like these and swallow them whole, but you are certainly entitled to do so.

Second, Israeli planes are known to have used Jordanian and East Syrian airspace under US control to perform opportunity strikes on scarcely populated areas of Syria. It does not imply in any way to cross over Hmeimim or to operate within the detection range of the Russian radar systems. Even if detected, Russia has spent literally years closing their eyes to these strikes, even when performed with conventional aircraft. I mean, a strike in East Syria just right next to US airspace proves essentially nothing. Maybe the F-35 can fly circles around the S-400, who knows, but this is not a proof of it.

I will not comment on the openly propagandistic video by that "very neutral" Swede :lol:
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Unread post20 Sep 2019, 18:55

Syria's S-300 is not turning a 'blind eye' to any Israeli aircraft on its territory so it is proving impotent against Israeli aircraft invading its airspace. Since the introduction of the S-300 there has been a conscious decision on Israel to use the F-35 Adir for deep strikes into Syria and so far it is X for 0 against Syria's IADs.
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