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Unread post22 Sep 2019, 23:13

How do you explain the US/Saudi failure to stop Iranian drones?


They normally do when they come from the direction of Yemen. KSA did not expect the Iranians to be so audacious as to attack them from the North, a mistake they won't be repeating again. Patriots will now be positioned all around important sites.
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Unread post22 Sep 2019, 23:47

f-16.nutter wrote:So let me get this straight, this entire forum gets excited about how invisible the F-35 is.


And let me get this straight, you come here with an apparent sarcastic comment against this forum without apparently knowing the real capabilities of the F-35 :roll:

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f-16.nutter wrote:News report cant make the decision for the Russians if they have or have not seen it and everyone expects the Russians to go all gung-ho shooting down any aircraft. While an S-400 radar screen has shown before that the IL-20 with the F-16s have shown they could have shot them down like a Syrian s-200 did before, but instead deployed more s-300s which pissed off the Israelis for covering their airspace. Lets say if the Russians threw their hands into the air and said, "oh no it is invisible." Would you trust them? Could they bait the israeli F-35s to fly closer and get better intel which was something the US was against Turkey for trying to have both the F-35s and S-400.


Are you even aware that the F-35 systems are able to know if the aircraft (F-35) is actually being detected by any radar source?
And besides the F-35 being able to determine if it's being detected by any radar source it can also show to the pilot all the radar sources around the aircraft and which is the range and angle at which any of the radar source can or is able to detect the F-35. This is shown to the pilot via pages like this:

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and this:

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So all the pilot needs to do is to avoid the areas where it can be detected by enemy radars which BTW are very small due to the F-35's Stealth.


f-16.nutter wrote:News report does not mention exactly how close they got to these long range air defenses, even an A-10 flying low enough could get close to long range air defense than consider me shock if a news report says they cant detect the A-10 as well :doh:


In what year do you think you live on?? In 1985, perhaps?? :doh:

Nowadays flying low over enemy territory puts fighter aircraft at the mercy of a bunch of weapons, ranging from Machine Guns, All sorts of automatic AA guns, MANPADS SAMs, Advanced Low Altitude Air Defense Systems (such as the PANTSIR) and not to mention to basically all sorts of other SAM, systems of which can be aimed by a bunch of other non-radar sensors such as TV, IR or even the good old "MKI Eyeball".
NO modern and advanced fighter aircraft such as the F-35 will EVER fly over enemy territory at low altitudes, period! (unless due to some extremely rare occurrence)


Well one thing I'll give you: you seem to be a "nutter", that for sure...
A 4th/4.5th gen fighter aircraft stands about as much chance against a F-35 as a guns-only Sabre has against a Viper.
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 00:09

Are you even aware that the F-35 systems are able to know if the aircraft (F-35) is actually being detected by any radar source?
And besides the F-35 being able to determine if it's being detected by any radar source it can also show to the pilot all the radar sources around the aircraft and which is the range and angle at which any of the radar source can or is able to detect the F-35. This is shown to the pilot via pages like this:


An F-16 has receivers as well as but that did not stop them from getting tracked by S-400s? I believe they have passive sensors as well its not like the F-35 is flying in blind where enemy aircraft can engage it and get lucky. Nor is there a way of telling how good the receivers on the F-35 are to distinguish between decoy emitters and radar sources.






In what year do you think you live on?? In 1985, perhaps?? :doh:

Nowadays flying low over enemy territory puts fighter aircraft at the mercy of a bunch of weapons, ranging from Machine Guns, All sorts of automatic AA guns, MANPADS SAMs, Advanced Low Altitude Air Defense Systems (such as the PANTSIR) and not to mention to basically all sorts of other SAM, systems of which can be aimed by a bunch of other non-radar sensors such as TV, IR or even the good old "MKI Eyeball".
NO modern and advanced fighter aircraft such as the F-35 will EVER fly over enemy territory at low altitudes, period! (unless due to some extremely rare occurrence)

Well one thing I'll give you: you seem to be a "nutter", that for sure...


The joke went over your head didn't it? All I got to say is if an owner cant keep a pit bull on a leash the owner might suffer the costs if something went wrong meaning I am referring to Israel's usage of the F-35 might cause detrimental cost to the US that invested in this project in case something went wrong and that has been shown at least a couple of times.
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 03:24

awsome wrote:The Russians are not pro ... Syria.


Nonsense, Russia supported Assad from 2011 until now to retain naval access to the port of Tartus on the Syrian Med coast. The S-400 is force protection for Russian forces as they seek to maintain that access and enabling of their fleet. Otherwise what use is Assad's remaining in power to Russia? They are prepared to sell or give him S-300 SAMs and replacement jets to keep him in power in Damascus. The Russians are definitely pro-Assad.

As Assad's survival to enable port and air access is all Russia's interested in, they sit by while Assad goes about his agenda of having Iran arm Hezbollah with precision-guided weapons via the assistance of Assad's regime. Russia doesn't want to be involved with any of that, it's OK with Israel defending itself and killing Iranians via overflights of Russian and Syrian forces, as long as Israel leaves Assad's regime in place, and Assad's S200 SAMs aren't shooting down Russian ISR aircraft. They really don't like that, but that's an issue for the SAA to figure out.

awsome wrote:The Russians also have more to gain by passively monitoring Israeli F-35 over flights.


Active radar does not "passively" monitor and a stealth fighter does not emit in a detectable way. There's no way of knowing if Russia is gaining useful signature information via having S400 force protection operating in NW Syria. F-22A operated as a strike package escort in Syria for years and not a word about detecting them came from Russia the whole time. We only know they were there each day because the USAF finally admitted they were routinely escorting strike aircraft.

So what makes you think the even lower RCS of a smaller F-35I is being observed by an S400 in NW Syria? It's about 510 km from Nevatim AB to where Russia's S-400 systems is sited, and a lot of terrain and earth curvature in between. It's 250 km from the core of Damascus to where the Russian's S400 is sited. It's 190 km from the Syrian Tiyas (T4) AB, to where the S400 is sited. the intersection of the Jordan, Syria, Iraq border is about 355 km from the Russian S400 system.

The Russians are most likely getting squat and could not do a thing about the F-35I overflights using their SAMs if they wanted to. Perhaps they can observe and infer a presence of a 5th-gen via VHF EW, but otherwise are blind to the details in the bands relevant to S400 and its range limits.

awsome wrote:The Americans have decided to allow Iranian strikes to succeed for their own reasons. Maybe they want a pretext for war with Iran.


If I were you I'd leave 'politics' and pet conspiracy-theories out of it, that never ends well in here.

There's no evidence the US "allowed" a thing. The US just took a huge mouthful of BS from the Iraqis about alleged Israeli attacks on Iranian weapon sites within Iraq, via aircraft that were not detected in advance, nor after it either. There's a lot of that going about actually. And the US was held "100% responsible" for it, by all of the Iran-fan terrorist NGOs and States in the region. In fact some in Iraq even claimed the attacks on Saudi Arabia occurred due to the strikes in Iraq.

The Saudis are Sovereign and not militarily aligned with the USA. They are FMS customers and there's no obligation on the US to intervene to defend that country, it's not in an alliance with the USA. The US may choose to do so if it's in its own interests to do so, but that's a longer political decision process, not a tactical decision to "... do something!!! ...".

The real question is why advanced SAMs typically fail against good planning, weapons and tactics. The Russian systems have a wretched record of failures when such is applied to them. And the Saudi's US systems have done much better. But that prior significant success did not scale well when the planning, weapons and tactics were being performed by the Iranian State. Either itself, or via IRGC Quds force soldiers operating with proxies, using proliferated Quds-1 cruise-missiles (which are apparently not unique to the Houthies and probably therefore not being built by them either), apparently coming from either Iran itself, or else southern Iraq.

The wreckage of those two crashed Quds-1 missiles that were recovered from the Saudi desert after the Sept 14th attack, were of composite construction, these were not of primitive design or construction, nor primitive systems, their guidance, navigation and coordination capability was also advanced. And they did not come from the usual threat axis.

So the Quds-1 missile attackers succeeded in striking without any known or effective response, over the course of 20 to 30 minutes of rolling weapon hits at at least two sites. But that's a serious topic that will need to be discussed, not one for absurd crackpot 'theories' that seek to 'blame' the US for it.
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 04:03

geforcerfx wrote:
element1loop wrote:But what if you strap 40N6E to MiG31, put the radars on the back of an Il-76 and call it the S-900 system-of-systems, then take over the world?

ditch the mig-31 and just put the missile onto the Il-76 with the radar.


Until a JASSM-XR GLCM hits it on the ground (I was of course kidding).
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 11:39

f-16.nutter wrote:The joke went over your head didn't it? All I got to say is if an owner cant keep a pit bull on a leash the owner might suffer the costs if something went wrong meaning I am referring to Israel's usage of the F-35 might cause detrimental cost to the US that invested in this project in case something went wrong and that has been shown at least a couple of times.

Ah right, state of the art equipment is only to be used on parades and fancy airshows to make sure no adverse effects on sales might happen.

So please tell me again what happened to F-35 sales after each crash and mishap?

P.s. Israel already declared the F-35I IOC in 2017 and used them ever since. Isreal has a history of rapidly deploying new assets once they have their hands on it. USA knew this and is clearly okay with that.
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 11:46

southerncross wrote:Well, I have actually many comments here. In essence, it is a very complex scenario and I dispute that these events are a proof in the sense intended by the media.

- What does such convoluted flight path and weapons use tells about the mission planing? It was an isolated attack, designed for maximum risk avoidance, only entering the Syrian airspace briefly and from a completely unexpected sector, avoiding approaching Tartous or Hmeimim, with claims being made that the planes used US reserved codes (cannot comment on that, but that part of the air space is in fact reserved to coalition airforces) and use of stand-off weapons at max ranges, as usually. In essence, it was a one-off action with no distinctive features characteristics of the use of stealth planes IMHO. The use of F-35 was a claim for which I have not seen any proof in fact.

- We all know that you cannot completely stop arbitrarily planed attacks against a territory with a couple of modern systems which are in fact not covering the whole country but just the North-Western part of it and besides with no responsibility to protect Syria from attacks from a third party. KSA is protected by how many Patriot systems and still they get hit day in and day out by low-tech missiles and UAVs from Yemen, how come a handful of Pantsirs, a S-300 under Russia's control and a few prehistoric S-125 and similar missiles can cover all possible targets and approaches by a top of the line air force like the Israeli one? Syria would need early warning, ten times the number of AD units equipped with modern systems in all range classes, much better training and an air force worthy of that name, to avoid Israel's fighters from hitting them with impunity. Nothing of the like is available so expectations of 100% effectiveness to the AD are simply preposterous and need to be deemed as outright sensationalism. OTOH, even those scarce means are regularly shooting down a good proportion of incoming missiles in areas minimally defended around Damascus and Russian ADs in Hmeimim are simply sealing the airbase to all kinds of attacks with very low RCS weapons. This should be noticed as a relevant achievement in light of the recent events in KSA but instead the focus is conveniently placed somewhere else.

- The scenario in Syria is driven by politics and not by strictly military terms, i.e. the states are not at war and there is even a deconfliction mechanism in place that strongly restricts RoE. Besides Russia is walking a fine line in terms of legitimacy and until now very strictly avoiding to use force against third countries, not having reacted to frequent Israeli attacks against Syria at all until the Il-20 incident. They have only two systems in Tartus and Hmeimim for self defence, they have threatened to share data with the Syrians / use EW only after the loss of Russian servicemen, then they sent a token quantity of S-300 (in uncertain conditions as to who is actually controlling them and besides close to the Russian assets themselves) for deterrence purposes and then there have been comments as of late of them actually having started to actively stop Israeli attacks and having authorized Syrians to use the S-300. I don't know if these later claims hold any truth, but what is certain is that Russia has no obligation to shoot down Israeli planes attacking Syria. In fact, it could be claimed too that conventional aircraft used previously by Israel with the appropriate tactics (terrain masking, stand-off weapons etc.) are also beyond the capacities of the Russian systems, if the lack of a response is going to be a proof.

- Besides Syria has much more important goals (getting rid of Takfiri terrorism and reconstructing the country) than being dragged into a different type of conflict vs. state actors by Israeli provocations. These opportunity attacks are more of a humiliation used for political gain of Israel than a real threat to Syrian military capabilities, so the responses are kept at a minimum, and wisely so, I would say. Even in that case, the tactics used by IAF (avoidance of Syrian airspace, terrain masking, isolated attacks, stand-off weapons) and their meager effects on the Syrian military and infrastructure already show that a reasonable level of deterrence has been achieved. Syria is a destroyed country after all and cannot have the highest aspirations but rather focus on what is essential.

- The flight path is quite simple and straight forward IMHO, they came from Iranian direction but they strike Hamma and Aleppo which are both very close to Hermeimin airbase and Tartus. The weapons of choice is SDB I so even at maximum range the distance is only 100 km. So if they are delivered by F-16 then these F-16 would be shot down or attacked because the radar range is 500-600 km and S-200/300/400 missiles range are 300-400 km.But Israel fighters dropped these SDB unmolested. Furthermore, radars of Syrian IADS and Russian IADS can rotate 360 degrees so which direction these F-35s came from shouldn't make any differences, we already clear up the assumption that these fighters fly at low altitude because SDB is a glider bomb.

- Syrian have shot down Israel fighters plenty of time before these F-35 strikes were taking place so you can't say Syrian didn't attack these F-35 because they don't want aggression from Israel:
Starting with the Russian intervention in the civil war in late 2015, there were new efforts to restore some Syrian S-200 systems. Indeed, on 15 November 2016, the Russian defence minister confirmed that Russian forces repaired Syrian S-200s to operational status. For example, in July 2016, the Syrian Army, with Russian assistance, rebuilt an S-200 site at Kweires airport, near Aleppo. On September 12, 2016, the Israel Defense Forces confirmed that two Syrian S-200 missiles were fired at Israeli attack planes while they were on a mission inside Syrian airspace. The Syrian Defense Ministry claimed that an Israeli jet and drone were shot down.According to the IDF spokesman's office, the claims are "total lies," and "at no point was the safety of IDF aircraft compromised."

On March 17, 2017, the Israeli Air Force attacked a number of Syrian armed forces targets near Palmyria in Syria. Israeli Air Force (IAF) send a group of 4 Aircraft, which flew through Lebanon Territory and in the border village of Bureij, Syria, launched Popeye (missile) (AGM-142 Have Nap) stand off misslies with range of 78 km toward Syrian territory. Syrian Air defence force (SyADF) after some time alerted one S-200V (SA-5) Missile battery and retaliate towards Intruders, 2 Out of 4 attacking jets are illuminated with two Fire Control Radars 5N62, and fired missiles on 2 Targets, which are in that moment in the South Lebanon Territory. During the action a number of Syrian S-200 missiles were fired at the Israeli aircraft. One of the Syrian missiles, going ballistic after losing its target was inbound to a populated area in Israel. The Israeli missile defense fired at least one Arrow missile which intercepted the incoming rocket.[39] Two other S-200 missiles landed in other parts of Israel, having lost their target. According to Abkhazian Network News Agency (ANNA News), Syria claimed that they had shot down one IAF F-16 aircraft and damaged another. While the Syrian Defense Ministry claimed that an Israeli fighter jet was shot down, which was denied by Israel, Israeli defence minister Avigdor Lieberman threatened to destroy Syrian air defence systems after they fired ground-to-air missiles at Israeli warplanes carrying out strikes.The Jordanian armed forces reported that parts of a missile fell in its territory. There were no casualties in Jordan.

On October 16, 2017, a Syrian S-200 battery located around 50 kilometers east of Damascus fired a missile at an Israeli Air Force surveillance mission over Lebanon. The IAF responded by attacking the battery and destroying the fire control radar with four bombs. Despite this, the Syrian Defense Ministry said in its statement that the air-defense forces "directly hit one of the jets, forcing [Israeli aircraft] to retreat." Israel said that no plane was hit.

On February 10, 2018, Israel launched an air strike against targets in Syria with eight fighter aircraft as retaliation for a UAV incursion into Israeli airspace earlier in the day. Syrian air defenses succeeded in shooting down one of the Israeli jets, an F-16I Sufa, with an S-200 missile - this was the first Israeli jet to be shot down in combat since 1982.The jet crashed in the Jezreel Valley, near Harduf Both the pilot and the navigator managed to eject, one was injured lightly and the other was injured more seriously, but both survived and walked out of hospital one week later.

On September 17, 2018, a Russian Il-20M ELINT plane was shot down by a Syrian S-200 surface-to-air missile. Four Israeli F-16 fighter jets attacked targets in Syria's Latakia with standoff missiles, after approaching from the Mediterranean Sea, a statement by the Russian defense ministry said on 18 September. “The Israeli pilots used the Russian plane as cover and set it up to be targeted by the Syrian air defense forces. As a consequence, the Il-20, which has radar cross-section much larger than the F-16, was shot down by an S-200 system missile,” the statement said. The Russian ministry stressed that the Israelis must have known that the Russian plane was present in the area, which didn't stop them from “the provocation”. Israel also failed to warn Russia about the planned operation in advance. The warning came a minute before the attack started, which “did not leave time to move the Russian plane to a safe area,” the statement said. On 21 September, an Israeli delegation visiting Moscow stated that the Israeli attack formation did not use the Russian Il-20 as a shield during the attacks, while blaming the incident on the Syrian Air Defense Force which fired missiles for forty minutes while the Israeli attack formation had already left the area.Russian President Vladimir Putin downplayed the incident saying that "it looks accidental, like a chain of tragic circumstances".

On 1 July 2019, a stray S-200 missile fired from Syria, presumably during bombing raids there, hit Northern Cyprus. The missile hit the ground around 1 a.m. near the village of Taşkent, also known as Vouno, some 20 kilometers (12 miles) northeast of Nicosia. The missile that hit Cyprus was a Russian-made S-200, said the Turkish Cypriot foreign minister.

- Moreover, Russian IADS and Syrian IADS were linked since 25 August 2017 while these Israel F-35 strikes happen from 2018 onward
Russia says it has formally linked its air defenses in Syria together with those of the regime of Bashar Al Assad. This could potentially limit the U.S. military’s ability to support its local partners fighting ISIS, increases the risk of a dangerous confrontation, and just add yet another layer to an ever more complicated situation on the ground.

Chief of Staff and Deputy Commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces Major-General Sergey Meshcheryakov made the announcement during a press roundtable at the Army-2017 International-Military Technical Forum on Aug. 25, 2017, according to state-run media outlet TASS.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/1 ... e-networks

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20 January 2019 during attacks on targets located in the area of Damascus International airport was destroyed radar JY-27, designed to detect small and/or low-observable targets, including the so-called "stealth-fighters".

https://weaponews.com/news/65347599-med ... e-isr.html
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A photo posted online by pro-government activists reveals the use of US-made GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs (SDBs) carried by Israeli F-35 stealth fighters in its recent attack on the Syrian city of Aleppo.
The photo shows the remains of one of the munitions which were used in the attack, that occurred in the late hours of March 27. The remains appear to be identical to the wings of the GBU-39 bomb

https://en.muraselon.com/2019/09/syrian ... -in-idlib/


southerncross wrote:Actually many, many things garrya, but only for an observer outside the Western informative bubble.
In geopolitics all sides say what is most convenient for them of course.

Can you elaborate on them?
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 11:47

marsavian wrote:
How do you explain the US/Saudi failure to stop Iranian drones?


They normally do when they come from the direction of Yemen. KSA did not expect the Iranians to be so audacious as to attack them from the North, a mistake they won't be repeating again. Patriots will now be positioned all around important sites.


You have Patriot and SkyGuard around refinery:
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 11:49

I will try to check info about Russians gave green light to Syrians to use S-300 only recently, it was I think official but I will need to check maybe I am wrong.
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 12:24

milosh wrote:
marsavian wrote:
How do you explain the US/Saudi failure to stop Iranian drones?


They normally do when they come from the direction of Yemen. KSA did not expect the Iranians to be so audacious as to attack them from the North, a mistake they won't be repeating again. Patriots will now be positioned all around important sites.


You have Patriot and SkyGuard around refinery:


One Patriot battery and who knows in what direction the radar dish was pointing, the Saudis have already said it was not facing Iraq/Iran direction as they were not expecting an attack from that direction. Skyguard is just Oerlikon cannon.

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Patriot will get 360 coverage with its new GaN AESA which also has two 1/4 size dishes to the sides and rear, Poland being the first customer.

https://armyrecognition.com/october_201 ... 10154.html
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 12:40

marsavian wrote:One Patriot battery and who knows in what direction the radar dish was pointing, the Saudis have already said it was not facing Iraq/Iran direction as they were not expecting an attack from that direction. Skyguard is just Oerlikon cannon.

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Patriot will get 360 coverage with its new GaN AESA which also has two 1/4 size dishes to the sides and rear.

https://armyrecognition.com/october_201 ... 10154.html


Didn't know it doesn't have rotating radar, but still I think it is Saudi BS, Iran is their opponent and they didn't turn radar torward Iran?!?

SkyGuard system have some sensors right? Radar maybe? I mean we have Bofors 40mm and it have search radar. I really doubt SkyGuard don't have one.
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 12:41

This whole thing reminds me..

America has built combat aircraft so successful at what they do, a single loss will be seen by "certain people" that that aircraft is a total failure. If 100 Israeli F-35I's attack Syria and just one is lost for any reason, the F-35 is a failure. Ridiculous.

We are building thousands of F-35's. At some point, I'm sure one will be lost in combat (as we saw with the F-117). The reality is that the F-117 program was an astounding success, with just 59 built and 1 loss. It opened the door to new, even more effective stealth aircraft and systems. The stealth revolution is will underway, and the F-35 is (already) far and away the ultimate expression of that revolution.

Really, losing (or in this case, detecting) one aircraft is a catastrophe? In my view, that's an awesome problem to have. I'm sure Russia (or any other country's air force) would love to have that "problem"...
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 12:46

milosh wrote:
marsavian wrote:One Patriot battery and who knows in what direction the radar dish was pointing, the Saudis have already said it was not facing Iraq/Iran direction as they were not expecting an attack from that direction. Skyguard is just Oerlikon cannon.

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Patriot will get 360 coverage with its new GaN AESA which also has two 1/4 size dishes to the sides and rear.

https://armyrecognition.com/october_201 ... 10154.html


Didn't know it doesn't have rotating radar, but still I think it is Saudi BS, Iran is their opponent and they didn't turn radar torward Iran?!?

SkyGuard system have some sensors right? Radar maybe? I mean we have Bofors 40mm and it have search radar. I really doubt SkyGuard don't have one.


The fact that US personnel are being drafted in to help with Saudi air defense suggests to me that someone may have been asleep at the wheel when these attacks took place. They normally work when targets are really coming from the direction of Yemen.

https://www.defenseone.com/business/201 ... ts/130813/
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Unread post23 Sep 2019, 13:15

f-16.nutter wrote:So let me get this straight, this entire forum gets excited about how invisible the F-35 is.
Is the news report based on national pride chest thumping for example Russians say they deploy su-57 than come up with some BS that they have flied close to Israel undetected.
News report does not mention exactly how close they got to these long range air defenses, even an A-10 flying low enough could get close to long range air defense than consider me shock if a news report says they cant detect the A-10 as well :doh

Get off your high horse, if the reverse happen we will hear the non stop "US is trash" from pro Russian posters too. Have you forget the Donald Cook - Su-24 incident?

f-16.nutter wrote:Any idea of using luneberg lens would be a little retarded because Russians do not have any control over the Syrians such as if the F-35 was to imitate the F-16s RCS it would than get shot down possibly by a syrian s-200 which did happen before and you surely do not want to compromise the F-35 project

It isn't retarded because radar cross section of luneberg lens is adjustable. You can make F-35 RCS about 100 times greater but still smaller than an F-16.
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